More Discussions for this daf
1. The Obligation Of Berachah Rishonah 2. Basis for berachos 3. Neta Revai
4. Chutz Min ha'Yayin 5. A Sevara for Berachos 6. First Tosfos DH Keitzad
7. wine and olive oil 8. Kal VaChomer - Min HaTorah or Not? 9. "Em" - Mother is Klal Yisrael
10. Is logic as strong as a Biblical edict? 11. Rebbi Yehudah's opinion, and ha'Gagen/ha'Gefen 12. Kavanah For Tefilah
13. Tosfos DH Keitzad 14. Derech Eretz 15. The ideal in Torah learning
16. Fasting for a bad dream 17. The source for reciting Berachos 18. Special blessings for wine and bread
19. harmful effects of olive oil 20. The blessing for olive oil 21. Shirah of the Levi'im
22. ברכת על הגפן
DAF DISCUSSIONS - BERACHOS 35

Joseph Goldstein asked:

The gemmorah says when Wine was poured on the Mizbayach that is when the

Shiras Leviim was sung.

A friend asked me: Did the leviim have a special tune(S) for the Shirah or did they use the TROP? His son's Rebbe said they used Trop. He said the Pe-As Hashulchon writes that the Vilna Gaon studied Music so as better to understand the Shiras Haleviim, and if all they used was Trop, why did he have to learn music? (If they used Trop, the term used all over "Shir she-hoyu OMRIM" the song they SAID, would seem to make sense!)

Any insights? Proofs?

Tizku Lemitzvos

Yosey

The Kollel replies:

I have always assumed that they had specific tunes for the Shir Shel Yom. I also heard about a certain song that was purported to have been sung by the Levi'im in the Beis-Hamikdash, which bears this out.

And as for the term 'Omrim' is concerned, maybe it is used with regard to the Shir Shel Yom, because the Ikar was the words, which the tunes merely embellished and rendered more meaningful. If I'm not mistaken, the same term 'Omrim' is used with regard to the Mal'achim.

On the other hand, Tehilim does have Trop, which suggests that this is how it was sung. Though it is highly likely that the Trop of Tehilim is not the same as that of Chumash (just as the Trop of Navi is different than that of Megilas Esther, and that of Megilas Esther than that of the other Megilos). Perhaps it was more tuneful, in which case the two possibilities will merge into one.

Kol Tuv,

R. Eliezer Chrysler