1)

TOSFOS DH b'Karvu Nesachim ba'Midbar Ka Mipalgei

úåñôåú ã"ä á÷øáå ðñëéí áîãáø ÷à îéôìâé

(SUMMARY: Tosfos concludes that all hold that there is no Shi'ur for the water.)

ôé' á÷åðèøñ åúøåééäå àéú ìäå éù ùéòåø ìîéí

(a)

Explanation #1 (Rashi): Both of them hold that there is a Shi'ur for the water.

åàé àôùø ìåîø ëï ãø''à òì ëøçéï ñáø àéï ùéòåø

(b)

Rebuttal: One cannot say so. You are forced to say that R. Elazar holds that there is no Shi'ur!

àìà úøåééäå ñáøé àéï ùéòåø åùìùú ìåâéï ãúðà ÷îà ìàå ãå÷à:

(c)

Explanation #2: Rather, both hold that there no Shi'ur. The first Tana said "three Lugim" - this is not precise.

[ö"ì åà''ú åîàé ùðà ðñëéí áëìé çåì î÷áìú ãí áëìé çåì ãàîø øáà ìòéì ã÷áìä áëìé çåì ìøáé ôèåø - öàï ÷ãùéí ÷é:]

(d)

Question: Why are Nesachim in a Chulin Kli unlike Kabalas Dam in a Chulin Kli? Rava said above (108a) that if he received [the blood] in a Chulin Kli, Rebbi exempts (outside)!

[ö"ì åéù ìåîø ãìà ãîé ì÷áìä áëìé çåì áôðéí åæø÷ áçåõ àéï ìðå ìçééá îçîú ãëùø ááîä äåàéì åëáø ðôñì áôðéí - öàï ÷ãùéí]

(e)

Answer: If he received in a Chulin Kli inside and threw outside, we should not obligate because it is Kosher on a Bamah, since it was already disqualified inside;

[ö"ì åìà ãîé ìðñëéí ùî÷øéáéï áçåõ áëìé çåì ãìà ðôñìå áôðéí - öàï ÷ãùéí]

1.

This is unlike Nesachim that we offer outside in a Chulin Kli. They were not disqualified inside.

2)

TOSFOS DH Bamah Gedolah v'Bamah Ketanah

úåñôåú ã"ä áîä âãåìä åáîä ÷èðä

(SUMMARY: Tosfos favors Rashi's opinion, that these are of the Tzibur and an individual.)

éù îôøùéí ãáîä âãåìä ÷øé ùòú àéñåø äáîåú åáîä ÷èðä ùòú äéúø

(a)

Explanation #1: Bamah Gedolah is called when there is an Isur of Bamos, and Bamah Ketanah is at a time of Heter.

åôéøåù ä÷åðèøñ òé÷ø ãúøåééäå [ö"ì áùòú - áàøåú äîéí] äéúø äáîåú àìà ãáîä âãåìä äéà áîú öéáåø åáîä ÷èðä äéà áîú éçéã

(b)

Explanation #2: Rashi's Perush is primary. Both are at a time of Heter. Bamah Gedolah is a Bamah of the Tzibur, and Bamah Ketanah is a Bamas Yachid.

åàò''â ãøáé éùîòàì àîø ìäèòéðä ðñëéí ìáîä âãåìä åãøéù îåùáåú ìàçø éøåùä åéùéáä ëãôéøù á÷åðèøñ åëãúðéà áñôøé åáôø÷ ÷îà ã÷ãåùéï (ãó ìæ.) åàæ ðàñøå äáîåú (ùáàå) (ö"ì ëùáàå - áàøåú äîéí) ìùéìä

(c)

Implied question: R. Yishmael obligates Nesachim on a Bamah Gedolah, and he expounds "Moshvos" - after inheritance [of Eretz Yisrael] and settling in it, like Rashi explained and like a Beraisa in Sifri and in Kidushin (37a), and then Bamos were forbidden, when they came to Shilo!

(åî''î) (ö"ì î"î - ùéèä î÷åáöú ëúá éã, öàï ÷ãùéí) àó ëùäåúøå àçøé ëï áðåá åâáòåï îåãä øáé éùîòàì ãáîú öéáåø èòåðä ðñëéí

(d)

Answer: In any case, even when they were permitted afterwards in Nov and Giv'on, R. Yishmael agrees that Bamas Tzibur requires Nesachim.

3)

TOSFOS DH l'Divrei R. Yishmael Lo Karvu Nesachim ba'Midbar

úåñôåú ã"ä ìãáøé øáé éùîòàì ìà ÷øáå ðñëéí áîãáø

(SUMMARY: Tosfos explains that this is only for a Korban Yachid.)

á÷ãåùéï (â''æ ùí) ôéøù á÷åðèøñ ãìëåìé òìîà ÷øáå á÷øáï öéáåø

(a)

Explanation (Rashi in Kidushin 37a): All agree that [Nesachim] were offered with a Korban Tzibur.

åàéðé éåãò îé äæ÷é÷å ìëê

(b)

Question: What forced him to say so?

åùîà îùåí ã÷úðé áñéôøé àîø àçã îúìîéãé øáé éùîòàì áà äëúåá ììîãê òì äðñëéí ùìà ðúçééá éçéã òì äðñëéí àìà îáéàúï ìàøõ

(c)

Answer: Perhaps it is because a Beraisa in the Sifri teaches "a Talmid of R. Yishmael said, the verse comes to teach about Nesachim, that an individual was not obligated about Nesachim until they entered the land."

åæä ìùåï ä÷åðèøñ ãôéøù á÷ãåùéï (â''æ ùí) ø' éùîòàì ñáø ìà ÷øáå ðñëéí áîãáø

(d)

Citation (Rashi in Kidushin): R. Yishmael holds that Nesachim were not offered in the Midbar;

åàó òì âá ãëúéá áîéìåàéí åæä àùø úòùä òì äîæáç åëúéá áä ðñëéí áòåìú úîéã

1.

Implied question: It is written in the Milu'im "v'Zeh Asher Ta'aseh Al ha'Mizbe'ach", and Nesachim are written in [the Parshah of] Olas Tamid!

á÷øáï öéáåø äåà ãäåé àáì äéçéãéí ìà ðúçééáå áðñëéí àìà îáéàú äàøõ ìàçø éøåùä åéùéáä

2.

They applied to a Korban Tzibur, but individuals were obligated only after coming to the land, after inheritance and settlement;

åøáé ò÷éáà ñáø ÷øáå ðñëéí ìéçéã áîãáø

3.

R. Akiva holds that individuals offered Nesachim in the Midbar.

4)

TOSFOS DH Ki ka'Amar R. Nechemyah b'Shirayim ha'Pnimiyim

úåñôåú ã"ä ëé ÷àîø øáé ðçîéä áùéøééí äôðéîééí

(SUMMARY: Tosfos points out that this is unlike the Sugya above.)

ìòéì áôø÷ á''ù (ãó ìè.) îùîò ãøáé ðçîéä àééøé áùéøééí äçéöåðéí åùí ôéøùúé

(a)

Reference: Above (39a) it connotes that R. Nechemyah discusses outer Shirayim. I explained there (DH Ha. The Sugya there is unlike R. Yochanan, who says that R. Nechemyah holds that even outer Shirayim are Me'akev. Rav Ada bar Ahavah holds that he holds that only inner Shirayim are Me'akev.)

5)

TOSFOS DH v'Chi Tanya ha'Hi b'Shirayim ha'Chitzonim

úåñôåú ã"ä åëé úðéà ääéà áùéøééí äçéöåðéí

(SUMMARY: Tosfos points out that if so, R. Nechemyah challenged from a reason he does not hold like.)

åîä ùäùéá ìå àéáøéí éåëéçå àò''â ãàéäå âåôéä ìà çééù áäàé èòîà

(a)

Implied question: Why did [R. Nechemyah] answer that limbs are Yochi'ach? He himself is not concerned for this reason! (He holds that one is liable for Shirayim outside because they are Me'akev.)

àåøçéä ãúðà äëé ëãôøéùéú áôø÷ äúòøåáú (ìòéì ãó òæ:):

(b)

Answer: The Tana is wont to do so (challenge his opponent with a reason that he himself does not hold like), like I explained above (77b DH Odu).

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6)

TOSFOS DH ha'Shochet ba'Laylah Behemah v'Chulei

úåñôåú ã"ä äùåçè áìéìä áäîä ëå'

(SUMMARY: Tosfos explains why one is liable for offering it outside.)

åàí úàîø ùçè áçåõ áìéìä åäòìä áçåõ àîàé çééá åîàé ùðà îùìîéí ùùçèï áçåõ ÷åãí ôúéçú ãìúåú ääéëì ãôèåø ëãàéúà áôø÷ ùðé ùòéøé (éåîà ãó ñá:)

(a)

Question: If one slaughtered outside at night and offered outside, why is he liable? Why is it different than Shelamim slaughtered outside before the doors of the Heichal were opened? He is exempt, like it says in Yoma (62a)?

åéù ìåîø ãìéìä àéï îçåñø æîï àáì äúí îçåñø îòùä

(b)

Answer: Night is not Mechusar Zman (above, 12a), but there it is Mechusar Ma'aseh (the doors must be opened. Therefore, it is not considered proper for Pesach Ohel Mo'ed.)

åàí úàîø ìø''ù îàé ùðà ùåçè áäîä áìéìä áôðéí îùåçè òåó áôðéí

(c)

Question: According to R. Shimon, why is Shechitah of an animal at night inside different than Shechitah of a bird inside?

åéù ìåîø ãùåçè òåó áôðéí î÷èì ÷èìéä åàí òìä éøã àôé' ìø''ù

(d)

Answer: One who slaughters a bird inside kills it (it is not considered a Mitzvah at all). Im Alah Yered, even according to R. Shimon;

àò''â ãìà îèîà áâãéí àáéú äáìéòä

1.

Implied question: (Why does he say Yered?) It is not Metam'ah Begadim b'Beis ha'Bli'ah!

ùàéï ùåí ùçéèä îèîà áâãéí àáéú äáìéòä àôéìå èøôä àå ðøáò:

2.

Answer: No Shechitah is Metam'ah Begadim b'Beis ha'Bli'ah, even a Tereifah or Nirva.

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