1)

(a)Rebbi Meir learns in a Mishnah in Temurah Harei Zu Temuras Olah, Temuras Shelamim, Harei Zu Temuras Olah. What is the case?

(b)What is the reason for Rebbi Meir's ruling?

(c)Rebbi Yossi agrees in a case where the owner specifically changed his mind. What does he say in a case where he did not?

(d)What happens to the animal?

1)

(a)Rebbi Meir learns in a Mishnah in Temurah Harei Zu Temuras Olah, Temuras Shelamim, Harei Zu Temuras Olah' - where someone has in front of him an animal of Chulin, and an Olah and a Shelamim.

(b)The reason for Rebbi Meir's ruling is - because he holds T'fos Lashon Rishon.

(c)Rebbi Yossi agrees in a case where the owner specifically changed his mind. In a case where he did not, he holds that - seeing as he meant both Kedushos to take effect, only he was unable to declare them both at the same time, the animal in fact, adopts both Kedushos.

(d)It is therefore sent into a field to graze until it becomes blemished, when it is sold, half the proceeds going towards an Olah, and the other half, towards a Shelamim.

2)

(a)We ask what the Din will be, according to Rebbi Meir, if the owner said 'Harei Zu Temuras Olah u'Shelamim'. Why might Rebbi Meir concede to Rebbi Yossi in such a case?

(b)What do we ask further, on the assumption that he does not?

(c)On what grounds might the animal be an Olah according to Rebbi Meir, even in the latter case?

(d)According to Abaye, Rebbi Meir will agree by Lachtzos. What does Rava say?

2)

(a)We ask what the Din will be, according to Rebbi Meir, if the owner said 'Harei Zu Temuras Olah u'Shelamim'. Rebbi Meir might concede to Rebbi Yossi there - because, unlike in the previous case, the word Temuras covers both the Olah and the Shelamim.

(b)On the assumption that he does not, we ask further - what Rebbi Meir will hold in a case where he said 'Harei Beheimah Zu Lachtzos le'Olah u'li'Shelamim' (half each).

(c)The animal might be an Olah according to Rebbi Meir, even in the latter case - because as soon as the first half becomes an Olah, the Kedushas Olah spreads to the other half, before the Kedushas Shelamim has a chance to take effect.

(d)According to Abaye, Rebbi Meir will agree by Lachtzos. Rava maintains - that he argues there too.

3)

(a)How does Rava query Abaye from Rebbi Yehudah in our Mishnah?

(b)What does that have to do with Rebbi Meir in Temurah?

(c)Abaye answers with the principle Yeshnah li'Shechitah mi'Techilah ad Sof. How does this answer the Kashya? How did he then Shecht the two Simanim?

(d)How can Pigul take effect with a Machshavah on half the Matir (one Si'man)?

3)

(a)Rava queries Abaye from Rebbi Yehudah in our Mishnah - who holds T'fos Lashon Rishon even in a case of two different k'Zeisim (which is definitely not a matter of retracting, and) which is therefore similar to Lachtzos?

(b)And Rebbi Meir in Temurah holds like Rebbi Yehudah in our Mishnah, as we will shortly explain.

(c)Abaye answers with the principle Yeshnah li'Shechitah mi'Techilah ad Sof - and Rebbi Yehudah speaks where he Shechted the first Si'man Chutz li'Zemano, and the second Si'man Chutz li'Mekomo, in which case, the Machsheves she'Lo bi'Zemano takes effect first ...

(d)... and Rebbi Yehudah holds Mefaglin be'Chatzi Matir (that Pigul takes effect with a Machshavah on half the Matir [one Si'man]).

4)

(a)Rava queries Abaye further from the first Perek of Menachos, where Rebbi Yehudah and the Rabbanan repeat the same Machlokes with regard to a Kohen who does the Avodas ha'Minchah with the intention of eating a k'Zayis tomorrow and a k'Zayis outside the Mechitzah. What does Abaye answer?

(b)Why must the Machlokes then be restricted to the burning (or the Holachah) of the Kometz and not to the actual Avodah of the Kemitzah?

(c)And what did Abaye reply when Rava queried him from the Kometz of a Minchas Chotei, which does not include Levonah, yet Rebbi Yehudah and the Rabbanan also argue there?

(d)What does Rav Ashi (or Rav Asi) mean when he says that it is possible for them to argue even there, and the Machlokes will then be over Pesi'os?

4)

(a)Rava queries Abaye further from the first Perek of Menachos, where Rebbi Yehudah and the Rabbanan repeat the same Machlokes with regard to a Kohen who performs the Avodas ha'Minchah with the intention of eating a k'Zayis tomorrow and a k'Zayis outside the Mechitzah, in answer to which Abaye again establishes the case - where the Kohen burns the Kometz Chutz li'Zemano and the Levonah Chutz li'Mekomo (which is again not comparable to Harei Zu Temuras Olah u'Shelamim).

(b)The Machlokes must then be restricted to the burning (or the Holachah) of the Kometz, and not to the actual Avodah of the Kemitzah - because the Levonah is not included in the Kemitzah.

(c)When Rava queried him from the Kometz of a Minchas Chotei, which does not include Levonah, yet Rebbi Yehudah and the Rabbanan also argue there - he replied that that is simply not true, and that Rebbi Yehudah concedes there that the Minchah is Pasul, but not Pigul.

(d)When Rav Ashi (or Rav Asi) says that it is possible for them to argue even there, and the Machlokes will then be over Pesi'os, he is referring to a case - where the Kohen had a Machsheves she'Lo bi'Zemano during the first step towards the Mizbe'ach, and a Mechsheves she'Lo bi'Mekomo during the second.

5)

(a)Rav Shimi bar Ashi explains the She'eilah of Lachtzos like Abaye. How does Rav Huna bar Nasan explain it?

(b)When Rav Dimi came, he established Rebbi Meir in the Mishnah in Temurah like Rebbi Yehudah in our Mishnah. What did he mean by that? What do they hold in common?

(c)Abaye cited Rabah bar bar Chanah Amar Rebbi Yochanan who said that Rebbi Meir and Rebbi Yossi do not argue. What did he mean?

(d)What was he telling Rav Dimi with that statement?

5)

(a)Rav Shimi bar Ashi explains the She'eilah of 'La'chtzos' like Abaye. Rav Huna bar Nasan explains it - like Rava.

(b)When Rav Dimi came, he established Rebbi Meir in the Mishnah in Temurah like Rebbi Yehudah in our Mishnah by which he means that - like Rebbi Yehudah, he holds T'fos Lashon Rishon (as we explained earlier [and that consequently, he will hold like him by Shechitah as well]).

(c)Abaye cited Rabah bar bar Chanah Amar Rebbi Yochanan who said that Rebbi Meir and Rebbi Yossi do not argue - by which he meant they only argue in the actual case which they present, which has nothing to do with T'fos Lashon Rishon, but not in other cases, as we will see shortly.

(d)And he was therefore telling Rav Dimi - that in fact, Rebbi Meir does not hold like Rebbi Yehudah regarding Shechitah.

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6)

(a)What does Rebbi Yitzchak bar Yosef say (regarding the Machlokes between Rebbi Meir and Rebbi Yossi) about a case where the owner said ...

1. ... 'Tachol Zu va'Achar-Kach Tachol Zu' (first the one should take effect and then the other)?

2. ... 'Lo Tachol Zu Ela-im-Kein Chalah Zu' (the one will not take effect unless the other one does)?

(b)And they argue in a case where he said 'Harei Zu Temuras Olah, Temuras Shelamim'. On what basis does ...

1. ... Rebbi Meir then hold Harei Zu Temuras Olah?

2. ... Rebbi Yossi disagree with Rebbi Meir? What error is the owner making?

(c)According to Rabah bar bar Chanah then, what will Rebbi Meir hold in a case of 'Harei Zu Temuras Olah u'Shelamim'? What does this prove?

(d)What did Rav Dimi answer?

6)

(a)Rebbi Yitzchak bar Yosef states (regarding the Machlokes between Rebbi Meir and Rebbi Yossi) that in a case where the owner said ...

1. ... 'Tachol Zu va'Achar-Kach Tachol Zu' (first the one should take effect and then the other) - even Rebbi Yossi will agree that it is a Temuras Olah (and not a Temuras Shelamim).

2. ... 'Lo Tachol Zu Ela-im-Kein Chalah Zu' (the one will not take effect unless the other one does) - even Rebbi Meir will agree that both Kedushos take effect.

(b)And they argue in a case where he said 'Harei Zu Temuras Olah, Temuras Shelamim'. Rebbi ...

1. ... Meir then holds Harei Zu Temuras Olah - because the fact that he did not say Temuras Olah u'Shelamim indicates that he has retracted (which legally, he is unable to do).

2. ... Yossi disagrees with Rebbi Meir. In his opinion - the owner wants both to take effect, only thinks that whereas if he were to say Temuras Olah u'Shelamim, half the animal would be Olah and half, Shelamim (in the way that we explained above), so he said 'Temuras' by both, so that the entire Kedushah of each animal takes effect simultaneously, enabling him to actually bring it on the Mizbe'ach (although in reality, this is not possible).

(c)According to Rabah bar bar Chanah, in a case of 'Harei Zu Temuras Olah u'Shelamim', Rebbi Meir will hold that - both Kedushos take effect (not like Rebbi Yehudah, a Kashya on Rav Dimi).

(d)Rav Dimi answered that - even though Rabah bar bar Chanah holds that Rebbi Meir and Rebbi Yossi do not argue over Temuras Olah u'Shelamim, he disagrees with him.

7)

(a)We learned in our Mishnah that the Tana Kama and Rebbi Yehudah argue in a case where the Kohen had in mind to eat K'zayis ba'Chutz, k'Zayis le'Machar. Based on a Safek that he had concerning this point, what did Ula (or Rav Oshaya) ask his Babylonian colleagues to ascertain? What alternative version did he suggest?

(b)If the correct version is the one in our Mishnah, then what will the respective Tana'im hold in the case of 'k'Zayis ba'Chutz, u'ke'Zayis le'Machar'?

(c)We resolve the She'eilah from a Beraisa. What did Levi ask Rebbi with regard to Chishav Le'echol k'Zayis le'Machar ba'Chutz?

(d)What did Rebbi reply?

7)

(a)We learned in our Mishnah that the Tana Kama and Rebbi Yehudah argue in a case where the Kohen had in mind to eat K'zayis be'Chutz, k'Zayis le'Machar. Based on a Safek that he had concerning this point, Ula (or Rav Oshaya) ask his Babylonian colleagues to ascertain - whether the correct version ought not to be K'zayis be'Chutz, u'ke'Zayis le'Machar (with a 'Vav').

(b)If the correct version is the one in our Mishnah, then in the case of 'k'Zayis ba'Chutz, u'ke'Zayis le'Machar' - even Rebbi Yehudah will concede that both Kedushos take effect (which the Sugya refers to as K'lala).

(c)We resolve the She'eilah from a Beraisa - where Levi asked Rebbi whether Rebbi Yehudah will concede that Chishav Le'echol k'Zayis le'Machar ba'Chutz - is considered a mixture of thoughts (both of which will therefore take effect [a K'lala]), or not (a P'rata).

(d)To which Rebbi replied - by praising his She'eilah, adding 'Eiruv Machshavos Havi' (it is a mixture of thoughts).

8)

(a)What did Rebbi Shimon, Rebbi's son, comment, based on our Mishnah Le'echol ... k'Zayis le'Machar k'Zayis ba'Chutz ...?

(b)What was Rebbi's reply? How did he overrule Rebbi Shimon's objection?

(c)When Rebbi said 'Ledidach de'Asnisach Tarti, Lo Kashya lach; Ledideih de'Lo Asniseih Ela Chada, Kashya', what did he mean by ...

1. ... Tarti?

2. ... Chada?

3. ... Ledidach de'Asnisach Tarti, Lo Kashya lach?

4. ... Ledideih de'Lo Asniseih Ela Chada, Kashya?

8)

(a)Rebbi Shimon, Rebbi's son, commented that this is clearly indicated (by inference) in our Mishnah Le'echol ... k'Zayis le'Machar, k'Zayis ba'Chutz ... .

(b)Rebbi replied that - this was only the case according to the text that he cited (which was the text that he had taught them), but that according to the text that he had taught Levi ('k'Zayis ... u'ke'Zayis'), his She'eilah was a good one.

(c)When Rebbi said 'Ledidach de'Asnisach Tarti, Lo Kashya lach; Ledideih de'Lo Asniseih Ela Chada, (Kashya'), by ...

1. ... Tarti, he meant - Le'echol ke'Zayis ... ke'Zayis and Le'echol k'Zayis ... u'kezayis

2. ... 'Chada', he meant - Le'echol k'Zayis ... k'Zayis exclusively.

3. ... 'Ledidach de'Asnisach Tarti, Lo Kashya lach', he meant that - according to Rebbi Shimon, whom Rebbi had taught both cases, the inference that if he said 'Le'echol k'Zayis ba'Chutz le'Machar', Rebbi Yehudah would agree, is clear.

4. ... Ledideih de'Lo Asniseih Ela Chada, Kashya that - according to Levi, whom he had taught only Le'echol ... k'Zayis le'Machar, k'Zayis ba'Chutz ... - there was indeed room for doubt what Rebbi Yehudah would hold in the case of Le'echol k'Zayis Machar ba'Chutz.

9)

(a)Then what was Levi's basic Safek?

(b)What would he assume if ...

1. ... his version was the correct one?

2. ... Rebbi Shimon's version was the correct one?

(c)What is now the difference between the two versions?

(d)And how do we know that the case that Rebbi taught Levi was k'Zayis le'Machar, k'Zayis ba'Chutz, and the case that he omitted was k'Zayis ... u'keZayis ... , and not vice-versa?

9)

(a)And Levi's basic Safek was - which version was the correct one, the one he had been taught or that of Rebbi Shimon and his colleagues.

(b)He would assume, if ...

1. ... his version was the correct one that - both other cases were really a mixture of thoughts (where Rebbi Yehudah would agree with the Tana Kama), and it was Rebbi Shimon and his colleagues who had erroneously added the case of k'Zayis 'u'ke'Zayis of their own accord.

2. ... Rebbi Shimon's version was the correct one that - Rebbi Yehudah also argued by k'Zayis u'ke'Zayis, and Rebbi had simply omitted the case of 'k'Zayis u'keZayis', when he had taught him.

(c)The difference between the two versions is that - according to the first version, Rebbi taught him the only case where Rebbi Yehudah actually applies T'fos Lashon Rishon, and the animal is an Olah (which means that Rebbi Shimon erred in adding k'Zayis u'ke'Zayis to Rebbi's statement). Whereas according to the second version, Rebbi omitted k'Zayis u'ke'Zayis from the version that he taught him, in which case he likewise omitted k'Zayis Machar ba'Chutz from the version that he taught Rebbi Shimon and his colleagues.

(d)We know that the case that Rebbi taught Levi was k'Zayis le'Machar, k'Zayis ba'Chutz, and the case that he omitted was k'Zayis 'u'ke'Zayis, and not vice-versa - because k'Zayis ba'Chutz k'Zayis le'Machar would not classify as an omission, inasmuch as if Rebbi Yehudah held Harei Zu Olah by k'Zayis u'ke'Zayis, then k'Zayis ba'Chutz k'Zayis le'Machar would be a Kal va'Chomer.

10)

(a)What problem do we have with Levi's She'eilah by k'Zayis le'Machar ba'Chutz?

(b)We solve it by establishing that in fact, Levi asked Rebbi one She'eilah incorporating two (Rebbi's reply would automatically answer both She'eilos). How is that?

(c)Why would this have not have been the case had he asked him the Din by 'k'Zayis u'ke'Zayis'?

(d)In that case, even now that he asked him 'k'Zayis u'ke'Zayis', why can we not say that if Rebbi would answer him that it is a 'K'lal' ('Eiruv Machshavos Havi' [which he did]), he would still have been forced to ask him what the Din will be in a case of ' ... u'ke'Zayis ba'Chutz' (where Rebbi Yehudah might still hold 'Harei Zu Olah')?

(e)How is that?

10)

(a)The problem with Levi's She'eilah by k'Zayis le'Machar ba'Chutz' is - why he did not rather ask what the Din will be by 'k'Zayis ... u'ke'Zayis' (which Rebbi omitted to teach him).

(b)We solve it by establishing that in fact, Levi asked Rebbi one She'eilah incorporating two (Rebbi's reply would automatically answer both She'eilos) - because whatever Rebbi's reply, Levi would also know what the Din will be by k'Zayis ... k'Zayis, as we will see.

(c)This would not have been the case had he asked him the Din by k'Zayis u'ke'Zayis - because assuming that he replied that it is a P'rat (Harei Zu Olah, like 'k'Zayis ba'Chutz 'k'Zayis le'Machar), he would still have been forced to ask him what Rebbi Yehudah will hold in a case of k'Zayis Machar ba'Chutz (where Rebbi Yehudah might well concede to the Tana Kama).

(d)We cannot say, even now that he asked him k'Zayis ba'Chutz u'ke'Zayis le'Machar, that if Rebbi would answer him that it is a K'lal (Eiruv Machshavos havi [which he did]), he would still have needed to ask him what Rebbi Yehudah will hold in a case of k'Zayis u'ke'Zayis (where Rebbi Yehudah might still hold Harei Zu Olah) - because he would know from Rebbi's tone of voice what he holds there ...

(e)... if he would answer gently, then it is clear that the latter case is a K'lal (Harei Zu Olah), whereas if he holds that that too, is a P'rat, he would answer in an agitated tone of voice, as if to say now that k'Zayis u'ke'Zayis is a 'K'lal, how much more so k'Zayis le'Machar ba'Chutz! (so what was the point in asking?).

11)

(a)What does Rebbi finally hold with regard to k'Zayis u'ke'Zayis?

(b)How do we know that?

(c)What do we say in Kidushin that bears this out?

11)

(a)Rebbi finally holds that - k'Zayis ... u'ke'Zayis has the same Din as k'Zayis ... k'Zayis

(b)... which we know because Rebbi answered Levi gently ('Zu She'eilah, Eiruv Machshavos havi') ...

(c)... and that is borne out by the Sugya in Kidushin which states that - Rebbi is the one who holds k'Zayis u'ke'Zayis is a 'P'rat, like k'Zayis k'Zayis,.

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