NIDAH 2 (2 Sivan) - This Daf has been dedicated in memory of Harry Bernard Zuckerman, Baruch Hersh ben Yitzchak (and Miryam Toba), by his children and sons-in-law.
PEREK SHAMAI
1)

A NIDAH IS RETROACTIVELY TEME'AH

(דף ב,א משנה)
(a)

(Once blood leaves a woman's Makor, i.e. her source of menstrual blood, and enters the Beis ha'Chitzon (outside the Makor, but still inside her body), she is Teme'ah.)

שמאי אומר כל הנשים דיין שעתן
(b)

(Mishnah - Shamai): If any woman sees that she became a Nidah (Rashi - through a Bedikah; Me'iri - blood left her body), Dayah Sha'atah. (She is Teme'ah from now and onwards, but not retroactively);

הלל אומר מפקידה לפקידה ואפילו לימים הרבה
(c)

Hillel says, she is retroactively Teme'ah from her last Bedikah (when she checked her Beis ha'Chitzon and did not find blood).

וחכ"א לא כדברי זה ולא כדברי זה אלא מעת לעת ממעטת על יד מפקידה לפקידה ומפקידה לפקידה ממעטת על יד מעת לעת
(d)

Chachamim say, retroactive Tum'ah is at most 24 hours. If her last Bedikah was in the last 24 hours, she is retroactively Teme'ah from then.

(e)

Note: This applies to a woman without a Veses (regular period when she becomes a Nidah);

כל אשה שיש לה וסת דיה שעתה
1.

If she has a Veses, Dayah Sha'atah.

והמשמשת בעדים הרי זו כפקידה וממעטת על יד מעת לעת ועל יד מפקידה לפקידה
(f)

If a woman checked herself before and after relations, this (the latter checking) is like a Bedikah. It limits retroactive Tum'ah.

כיצד דיה שעתה היתה יושבת במטה ועסוקה בטהרות ופרשה וראתה היא טמאה והן טהורות
(g)

When Dayah Sha'atah applies, if she was sitting on a bed and dealing with Taharos, and got up from them and discovered that she is Teme'ah, the bed and Taharos remain Tehorim.

אע"פ שאמרו מטמאה מעת לעת אינה מונה אלא משעה שראתה:
(h)

Even when she is retroactively Teme'ah, she counts (seven days of Nidah before immersing) from the time she saw blood.

מאי טעמיה דשמאי
(i)

(Gemara) Question: What is Shamai's reason?

קסבר העמד אשה על חזקתה ואשה בחזקת טהורה עומדת
(j)

Answer: She retains her Chazakah of being Tehorah. We assume this did not change (until now, when we know that she surely changed).

והלל כי אמר העמד דבר על חזקתו היכא דלית ליה ריעותא מגופיה
1.

Hillel says that something retains its Chazakah when it itself has no Re'usa (reason to suspect that the Chazakah changed);

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אבל איתתא (דף ב,ב) כיון דמגופה קחזיא לא אמרינן אוקמה אחזקתה
2.

Here, since she is prone to become Teme'ah by herself, she does not retain her Chazakah.

2)

IMMERSION IN A SAFEK MIKVEH

ומאי שנא ממקוה
(a)

Question: Why is a Nidah different than something immersed in a (possibly deficient) Mikveh?

דתנן מקוה שנמדד ונמצא חסר כל טהרות שנעשו על גביו למפרע
1.

(Mishnah): If "A" (a person or Kli) was (Tamei, and) able to be Metamei "B," and 'A' was immersed in a Mikveh (which used to be full, i.e. it had 40 Se'ah) that was later measured and found to be deficient:

בין בר"ה בין ברה"י טמאות
i.

Whether "A" (later) touched "B" in a Reshus ha'Rabim or Reshus ha'Yachid (public or private domain), "B" is Tamei.

לשמאי קשיא למפרע
2.

According to Shamai, "B" should be Tahor! (We should say that the Mikveh was full until right now);

להלל קשיא ודאי דאילו מעת לעת שבנדה תולין לא אוכלין ולא שורפין ואילו הכא טומאה ודאי
3.

According to Hillel (and Chachamim), we should say that it was a Safek immersion (perhaps the Mikveh was full. We should Metaher in Reshus ha'Rabim), just like the retroactive Tum'ah of a Nidah is Safek. If she had touched Taharos, we are Toleh. I.e. we do not eat them, nor burn them (until they become definitely Tamei or Nosar)!

התם משום דאיכא למימר העמד טמא על חזקתו ואימא לא טבל
(b)

Answer #1: "A" is (considered) Vadai (definitely) Tamei because it retains its Chazakah (it was Tamei). Perhaps the immersion was invalid.

אדרבה העמד מקוה על חזקתו ואימא לא חסר
(c)

Question: Just the contrary! The Mikveh should retain its Chazakah. We should say that it was full (at the time of immersion, so the immersion was valid)!

הרי חסר לפניך
(d)

Answer: We do not say this because we see that the Mikveh is deficient now.

הכא נמי הרי דם לפניך
(e)

Question: Likewise, the Nidah sees blood now (yet she retains her Chazakah)!

השתא הוא דחזאי
(f)

Answer: We assume that the blood came just a moment ago.

הכא נמי השתא הוא דחסר
(g)

Question: Likewise, we should assume that the Mikveh became deficient just a moment ago!

הכי השתא התם איכא למימר חסר ואתא חסר ואתא
(h)

Answer: No. It is normal for a Mikveh to steadily lose water;

הכא מי איכא למימר חזאי ואתא חזאי ואתא
1.

Dam Nidah does not come steadily.

ומאי קושיא דלמא הגס הגס חזיתיה
(i)

Question: Indeed, perhaps blood was steadily accumulating in the Makor. What exceeds the capacity of the Makor flows out!

התם איכא תרתי לריעותא הכא איכא חדא לריעותא
(j)

Answer #2: A Nidah has only one Re'usa (she sees blood now). Regarding the Mikveh there are two (the Chezkas Tum'ah of what was immersed, and the Mikveh is deficient now).

3)

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NIDAH AND MIKVEH

ומאי שנא מחבית
(a)

Question (against Shamai): Why is Nidah different from the case of a barrel? (We assume that Shamai agrees with the following Beraisa.)

דתנן היה בודק את החבית להיות מפריש עליה תרומה והולך ואח"כ נמצא חומץ כל ג' ימים <הראשונים> ודאי מכאן ואילך ספק
1.

(Beraisa): Reuven had a barrel of wine, from which he would often take Terumah. (He would declare that a certain volume of the contents is Terumah to fix (permit) his Tevel.) Once, he tasted it and discovered that it had turned to vinegar. Three days are Vadai, and past that is Safek. (R. Yochanan explains that for 72 hours after the previous tasting (before it soured), surely it was still wine. After that, perhaps it was vinegar, and any Tevel fixed from then is Safek Tevel, for perhaps the Terumah was invalid. R. Yehoshua ben Levi explains, (since it is strong vinegar now), for 72 hours before the last tasting it was surely vinegar. Any Tevel fixed in this period is Vadai Tevel. Before this, perhaps it was wine. If Tevel was fixed, it is Safek Tevel).

קשיא לשמאי
2.

Shamai assumes that nothing changed until the last possible moment!

התם משום דאיכא למימר העמד טבל על חזקתו ואימר לא נתקן
(b)

Answer: We consider it Safek Tevel because it was Muchzak to be Tevel. Perhaps it was not fixed.

אדרבה העמד יין על חזקתו ואימר לא החמיץ
(c)

Question: Just the contrary! The wine retains its Chazakah. It was still wine (when Terumah was taken, so the Tevel was fixed)!

הרי החמיץ לפניך
(d)

Answer: We do not say this because we see that it is vinegar now.

הכא נמי הרי דם לפניך
(e)

Question: Likewise, the Nidah sees blood now!

השתא הוא דחזאי
(f)

Answer: We assume that the blood came just a moment ago.

התם נמי השתא הוא דהחמיץ
(g)

Question: Likewise, we should assume that the wine became vinegar just a moment ago (according to R. Yochanan; according to R. Yehoshua ben Levi, 72 hours ago, the latest possible time)!

הכי השתא התם איכא למימר החמיץ ואתא החמיץ ואתא הכא מי איכא למימר חזאי ואתא חזאי ואתא
(h)

Answer: No. It is possible that the wine was steadily souring, but Dam Nidah does not come steadily.

ומאי קושיא דלמא הגס הגס חזיתיה
(i)

Question: Indeed, perhaps blood was steadily accumulating in the Makor, and the excess over its capacity flows out!

התם איכא תרתי לריעותא הכא איכא חדא לריעותא
(j)

Answer: A Nidah has only one Re'usa. Regarding the barrel, there are two. (There is Chezkas Tevel, and the barrel is now vinegar.)

ורמי חבית אמקוה מאי שנא הכא ודאי ומ"ש הכא ספק
(k)

Question: Why do we consider the wine to be Safek Tevel, but the Taharos (in the Mishnah of the Mikveh) are considered Vadai Tamei?

א"ר חנינא מסורא מאן תנא חבית ר"ש היא דלגבי מקוה נמי ספקא משוי ליה
(l)

Answer (R. Chanina of Sura): R. Shimon taught the Beraisa of the barrels. He holds that also Taharos are Safek Tamei.

דתנן מקוה שנמדד ונמצא חסר כל הטהרות שנעשו על גביו למפרע בין בר"ה בין ברה"י טמאות
1.

(Beraisa): If a Mikveh (which once was full) was measured and found to be deficient, anything that touched something immersed in the Mikveh, whether it touched in a Reshus ha'Rabim or Reshus ha'Yachid, is Tamei;

ר"ש אומר בר"ה טהורות ברה"י תולין
2.

R. Shimon says, (if it touched) in a Reshus ha'Rabim it is Tahor. (If it touched) in a Reshus ha'Yachid, Tolin.