ZEVACHIM 115 (25 Av) - Dedicated by Rabbi Dr. Eli Turkel of Raanana, l'Iluy Nishmas his mother, Golda bas Chaim Yitzchak Ozer (Mrs. Gisela Turkel) who passed away on 25 Av 5760. Mrs. Turkel accepted Hashem's Gezeiros with love; may she be a Melitzas Yosher for her offspring and for all of Klal Yisrael.

1)

(a)On what basis does Rav Huna query Rav Ila'i Amar Resh Lakish (who holds that one is Chayav for Shechutei Chutz on an Asham she'Lo bi'Zemano she'Lo li'Shemo ... )?

(b)How will he then establish the Mishnah in the first Perek which validates all Kodshim that are Shechted she'Lo li'Sheman?

(c)What is the Din of a Pesach that one brings all year round she'Lo li'Shemo (as a Shelamim)?

(d)Bearing in mind that it is Pasul li'Shemo, how does Rav Huna reconcile his objection with this ruling?

1)

(a)Rav Huna queries Rav Ila'i Amar Resh Lakish (who holds that one is Chayav for Shechutei Chutz on an Asham she'Lo bi'Zemano she'Lo li'Shemo ... ) based on the S'vara that - something that is Pasul li'Shemo, cannot be Kasher she'Lo li'Shemo.

(b)And the Mishnah in the first Perek validating all Kodshim that are Shechted she'Lo li'Sheman - he will establish by Korbanos that are Kasher li'Sheman.

(c)A Pesach that one brings all year round she'Lo li'Shemo (as a Shelamim) is - Kasher (in spite of the fact that it is Pasul li'Shemo).

(d)Rav Huna reconciles his objection with this ruling - because a Pesach during the rest of the year automatically becomes a Shelamim, which is not the case by other Korbanos (which require Akirah).

2)

(a)In the Parshah of Shechutei Chutz, the Torah could have written " ... asher Yishchat ba'Machaneh O asher Yishchat mi'Chutz la'Machaneh, ve'el Pesach ... Lo Hevi'o". The Beraisa includes Olas Mechusar Z'man be'Ba'alim plus two other Korbanos from "Shor, O Kesev O Eiz" (which are superfluous) mentioned there. What are the other two?

(b)What does the Tana conspicuously omit?

(c)Why can he not be talking about ...

1. ... an Asham bi'Zemano (li'Shemo)?

2. ... an Asham she'Lo bi'Zemano, li'Shemo?

3. ... li'Shemo, and he is Chayav ba'Chutz, since he would be Chayav bi'Fenim she'Lo li'Shemo?

2)

(a)In the Parshah of Shechutei Chutz, the Torah could have written " ... asher Yishchat ba'Machaneh O asher Yishchat mi'Chutz la'Machaneh, ve'el Pesach ... Lo Hevi'o". From "Shor, O Kesev O Eiz" mentioned there the Beraisa includes, Olas Mechusar Z'man be'Ba'alim - Asham Metzora and Asham Nazir ...

(b)... conspicuously omitting - a Korban Chatas.

(c)The Tana cannot be talking about ...

1. ... an Asham bi'Zemano (li'Shemo) - because then there would be no reason to omit Chatas from the Chiyuv.

2. ... an Asham she'Lo bi'Zemano, li'Shemo - because then, why would an Asham be Chayav (seeing as it Pasul bi'Fenim).

3. ... li'Shemo, and the Chiyuv ba'Chutz is based on the fact that he would be Chayav bi'Fenim she'Lo li'Shemo - since it is lacking Akirah, as we explained earlier.

3)

(a)How must the Beraisa then be speaking? What does this prove?

(b)We reject this proof however, by establishing the case by bi'Zemano she'Lo li'Shemo, and the author is Rebbi Eliezer. What does Rebbi Eliezer say about an Asham she'Lo li'Shemo bi'Fenim?

(c)Why does the Tana then mention Asham and not Chatas?

(d)We cannot establish the Beraisa by bi'Zemano and li'Shemo, and the Chidush by Asham will extend to Chatas too, for three reasons: a. because what does that have to do with Rebbi Eliezer (who is speaking about she'Lo li'Shemo) and b. because seeing as both are written with regard to being Kasher bi'Fenim, why does the Tana refer to one as Ikar and the other, as Tafeil. What is the third reason?

(e)Seeing as an Asham (or a Chatas) she'Lo li'Shemo bi'Fenim is Pasul, why, according to Rebbi Eliezer, is one then Chayav for Shechting it ba'Chutz she'Lo li'Shemo?

3)

(a)The Beraisa must therefore be speaking - bi'Zemano she'Lo li'Shemo - and the Asham is Kasher even though it would have been Pasul had it been Shechted li'Shemo (a proof for Rebbi Chilkiyah bar Tuvi).

(b)We reject the proof however, by establishing the case by bi'Zemano she'Lo li'Shemo, and the author is Rebbi Eliezer, who holds that - an Asham she'Lo li'Shemo bi'Fenim is Pasul, just like a Chatas ...

(c)... and when the Tana learns Asham (the secondary case) - he takes for granted that the same applies to Chatas (the source from which Asham is derived).

(d)We cannot establish the Beraisa by bi'Zemano and li'Shemo, and the Chidush by Asham will extend to Chatas too, for three reasons: a. because what does that have to do with Rebbi Eliezer (who is speaking about she'Lo li'Shemo); b. because seeing as both are written with regard to being Kasher bi'Fenim, why does the Tana refer to one as 'Ikar' and the other, as 'Tafeil', and c. - because we would not require a Pasuk to teach us that one is Chayav ba'Chutz for Kodshim that are Kasher bi'Fenim.

(e)Despite the fact that an Asham (or a Chatas) she'Lo li'Shemo bi'Fenim is Pasul, one is nevertheless Chayav for Shechting it ba'Chutz she'Lo li'Shemo, according to Rebbi Eliezer - because until it has actually been Shechted she'Lo li'Shemo, it retains its original status (even though he has designated it for something else) and is therefore fit to Shecht bi'Fenim.

4)

(a)The Beraisa discusses an Olah Mechusar Z'man be'Gufah and a Chatas bein be'Gufah bein be'Ba'alim. On what grounds do we reject the text Yachol she'Ani Marbeh Olah Mechusar Z'man ... ?

(b)How do we account for that text?

(c)What is the definition of ...

1. ... Olah Mechusar Z'man be'Gufah'?

2. ... Chatas ... be'Ba'alim'?

(d)What do we extrapolate from the fact that the Tana omits Asham?

(e)What is the case of Asham Mechusar be'Ba'alim (that is under discussion)?

4)

(a)The Beraisa discusses an Olah Mechusar Z'man be'Gufah and a Chatas bein be'Gufah bein be'Ba'alim. We reject the text Yachol she'Ani Marbeh Olah Mechusar Z'man ... - because it presumes that it is the Seifa of the previous Beraisa, when really it is the Reisha ...

(b)... though those who inserted it actually thought that it was the Seifa, because of the order in which the Sugya cites them).

(c)The definition of ...

1. ... Olah Mechusar Z'man be'Gufah is - within the first eight days of birth.

2. ... Chatas ... be'Ba'alim is - the Chatas of a Nazir or of a Metzora, whose Taharah is not yet complete.

(d)We extrapolate from the fact that the Tana omits Asham that - one must be Chayav for Shechting it ba'Chutz.

(e)The case of Asham Mechusar be'Ba'alim is that of - an Asham Nazir and an Asham Metzora.

5)

(a)Why can the Tana not be referring to Asham li'Shemo?

(b)He must therefore be referring to she'Lo li'Shemo. On whom does this pose a Kashya?

(c)Here too, we establish the Beraisa like Rebbi Eliezer. Is the Tana speaking in a case of li'Shemo or she'Lo li'Shemo? Why is he Patur?

(d)So why did he only mention Chatas, and not Asham?

5)

(a)The Tana cannot be referring to Asham li'Shemo - because then he ought to be Chayav for Shechting the Asham ba'Chutz as well.

(b)He must therefore be referring to she'Lo li'Shemo - even though bi'Fenim (she'Lo bi'Zemano) he would be Patur, a Kashya on Rav Huna.

(c)Here too, we establish the Beraisa like Rebbi Eliezer; the Tana is speaking in a case of she'Lo li'Shemo and he is Patur - because (seeing as Rebbi Eliezer compares Asham to Chatas) it is not fit to Shecht bi'Fenim she'Lo li'Shemo.

(d)The Tana mentions the Ikar (the Chatas), and (seeing as the same reason pertains to both), it is obvious that the same applies to the Tafeil (the Asham).

6)

(a)According to Rav Huna, on what grounds do the Rabbanan agree with Rebbi Eliezer in this ruling?

(b)Then what forces Rav Huna to establish the author as Rebbi Eliezer?

(c)In addition, the Rabbanan do not learn Asham from Chatas, and we would not automatically learn one from the other. If the Tana had wanted to mention only one, why would it have been preferable to mention Asham rather than Chatas?

6)

(a)According to Rav Huna, the Rabbanan agree with Rebbi Eliezer in this ruling - because whatever is not fit li'Shemo, cannot be fit she'Lo li'Shemo either.

(b)And what forces Rav Huna to establish the author as Rebbi Eliezer is the fact that - the Seifa has to go like him, as we explained earlier.

(c)In addition, the Rabbanan do not learn Asham from Chatas, and we would not automatically learn one from the other. Had the Tana wanted to mention only one, it should have mentioned Asham rather than Chatas - to teach us the additional Chidush that Asham must be Pasul she'Lo li'Shemo, because it is Pasul li'Shemo.

7)

(a)When Rav Dimi came from Eretz Yisrael, he cited a Beraisa of bei bar Liva'i, which cited a Pasuk which includes Olas Mechusar Z'man be'Ba'alim and Asham Nazir and Asham Metzora in the Din of Shechutei Chutz. Which Pasuk in Emor is the Tana referring to?

(b)How does Ravina explain the proof from there for Rebbi Chilkiyah bar Tuvi?

(c)How do we try to refute the proof?

(d)Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak rejects this refutation however, based on Rav Dimi's Kashya on bar Livai's Beraisa from a Beraisa cited by Levi. What does the Tana of Levi's Beraisa say about an Asham Nazir and an Asham Metzora which were Shechted ...

1. ... she'Lo li'Sheman?

2. ... Mechusar Z'man be'Ba'alim or in their second year?

7)

(a)When Rav Dimi came from Eretz Yisrael, he cited a Beraisa of bei bar Liva'i, which hinted at the Pasuk in Emor - "Shor O Kesev O Eiz", which includes Olas Mechusar Z'man be'Ba'alim and Asham Nazir and Asham Metzora in the Din of Shechutei Chutz. Ravina prove Rebbi Chilkiyah bar Tuvi right from there.

(b)Ravina ascribes the proof from there for Rebbi Chilkiyah bar Tuvi to the fact that - the Pasuk implies even she'Lo li'Shemo as well (as we proved earlier).

(c)We try to refute the proof - by establishing it like Rebbi Eliezer (like we did there).

(d)Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak rejects this refutation however, based on Rav Dimi's Kashya on bar Livai's Beraisa from a Beraisa cited by Levi, which states that - an Asham Nazir and an Asham Metzora which were Shechted ...

1. ... she'Lo li'Sheman - are Kasher, even though the owner has not fulfilled his obligation with it.

2. ... Mechusar Z'man be'Ba'alim or in its second year - is Pasul.

8)

(a)How did Rav Dimi establish the Beraisos to resolve the discrepancy? What does this prove?

(b)Rav Ashi gave the same answer to resolve the discrepancy between the first Beraisa (which we established earlier bi'Zemano like Rebbi Eliezer) and our Mishnah. To which statement in our Mishnah was he referring?

(c)Now that we have established bar Livai's Beraisa (rendering Chayav, Asham Nazir and Metzora ba'Chutz, by she'Lo bi'Zemano), how does Rav Huna establish the case, to reconcile it with his own opinion?

(d)And he bases this on a ruling of Rav that he himself quoted. What did Rav say about an Asham that has been disqualified from being sacrificed, and that is sent into the field to become blemished, but Shechted before it had a chance to do so?

8)

(a)To resolve the discrepancy - Rav Dimi established the latter Beraisa by li'Shemo, and the former by she'Lo li'Shemo (but not according to Rebbi Eliezer), a final proof for Rebbi Chilkiyah bar Tuvi.

(b)Rav Ashi gave the same answer to resolve the discrepancy between the first Beraisa (which he established she'Lo li'Shemo [but not like Rebbi Eliezer[) and our Mishnah - (which rules with regard to Mechusar Z'man be'Ba'alim 'ha'Zav ... she'Hikrivu Chatasam ve'Ashamam ba'Chutz Peturin') li'Shemo.

(c)Now that we have established bar Livai's Beraisa (rendering Chayav Asham Nazir and Metzora ba'Chutz Chayav, by she'Lo bi'Zemano), to reconcile it with own opinion, Rav Huna establishes the case - where the owner initially designated two Ashamos (in case one gets lost), in which case one of them automatically stands to become an Olah (similar to the S'vara that we gave above to explain a Pesach during the rest of the year, to answer the same Kashya).

(d)And he bases this on a ruling of Rav that he himself quoted, who rules that an Asham which has been disqualified from being sacrificed, and that is sent into the field to become blemished, but Shechted before it had a chance to do so - is automatically Kasher as an Olah.

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9)

(a)What does the Beraisa extrapolate from ...

1. ... the word "Olah" (in connection with Shechutei Chutz) with regard to B'sar Chatas, Asham and Kodshei Kodshim and Kalim, Moser ha'Omer, Sh'tei ha'Lechem and Lechem ha'Panim, and Sheyarei Menachos?

2. ... the Pasuk "asher Ya'aleh Olah O Zavach", with regard to ha'Yotzek, ha'Bolel, ha'Poseis, ha'Mole'ach, ha'Meinif, ha'Magish, ha'Mesader es ha'Shulchan, ha'Meitiv es ha'Neiros and ha'Kometz ve'Hamekabel ba'Chutz?

(b)Rav Chanah bar Rav Ketina quoting Rav Asi, cited the Pasuk "Va'yishlach es Na'arei b'nei Yisrael Va'ya'alu Olos" in front of Rav Chisda. Who were the "Na'arei b'nei Yisrael"?

(c)What did he mean when he commented on the Pasuk, u'Paskeih?

(d)Why is that?

(e)What did Rav Chisda have in mind to ask him from our Mishnah?

9)

(a)The Beraisa extrapolates from ...

1. ... the word "Olah" that - Shechutei Chutz only applies to things that, like an Olah, are fit to be brought on the Mizbe'ach, to preclude B'sar Chatas, Asham and Kodshei Kodshim and Kalim, Moser ha'Omer, Sh'tei ha'Lechem and Lechem ha'Panim and Sheyarei Menachos', which are all eaten.

2. ... the Pasuk "asher Ya'aleh Olah O Zavach" - that ha'Yotzek, ha'Bolel, ha'Poseis, ha'Mole'ach, ha'Meinif, ha'Magish, ha'Mesader es ha'Shulchan, ha'Meitiv es ha'Neiros, ha'Kometz ve'Hamekabel, ba'Chutz are Patur, since unlike Ha'ala'ah, they are all not final Avodos.

(b)Rav Chanah bar Rav Ketina quoting Rav Asi, cited the Pasuk "Va'yishlach es Na'arei b'nei Yisrael- the Bechoros, Va'ya'alu Olos" in front of Rav Chisda. The "Na'arei b'nei Yisrael".

(c)And when he commented on the Pasuk, 'u'Paskeih', he meant that - there should be an Esnachta under the word "Yisrael" ...

(d)because although it was the Bechoros who prepared the Olos, it was Nadav and Avihu who actually brought them on the Mizbe'ach, since they were chosen to perform the Avodah already at Sinai.

(e)Rav Chisda had in mind to ask him from our Mishnah - which specifically states that it was the Bechoros who served until the Mishkan was built.

10)

(a)What else did Rav Chisda hear from Rav Chanah in the name of Rav Ada bar Ahavah, in connection with the Olah that Yisrael brought at Har Sinai, vis-a-vis Hefshet and Nitu'ach?

(b)Why did he then change his mind about asking the earlier Kashya from our Mishnah?

(c)Besides informing us that before the Mishkan was built, Bamos were permitted, what does the Tana say about ...

1. ... the type of animals that could be brought? What was the sole restriction?

2. ... the category of Korban? Which was the only category that could be sacrificed?

(d)What does the Beraisa say about Nochrim nowadays?

10)

(a)Rav Chisda also heard from Rav Chanah in the name of Rav Ada bar Ahavah that - the Olah that Yisrael brought at Har Sinai did not require Hefshet and Nitu'ach.

(b)He changed his mind about asking the earlier Kashya from our Mishnah however - because he came across a Beraisa, which disproves both statements of Rav Chanah at the same time.

(c)Besides informing us that before the Mishkan was erected, Bamos were permitted, the Tana also says that ...

1. ... any type of Beheimah, Chayah and Of could be brought on a Bamah, male or female, complete or blemished, provided it was a Kasher species.

2. ... the only category of Korban - that could be brought though, was an Olah.

(d)The Beraisa permits Nochrim nowadays all of the above concessions - since the Isur of Bamos does not pertain to them.

11)

(a)What does the Tana say in respect of ...

1. ... who performed the Avodah?

2. ... Hefshet ve'Nitu'ach? How does this clash with Rav Chana's previous rulings?

(b)What did Rav Chanah reply?

(c)Rebbi Yehoshua ben Korchah in a Beraisa, interprets "ha'Kohanim" in the Pasuk "ve'Gam ha'Kohanim ha'Nigashim el Hash-m Yiskadashu", as Bechoros. What does Rebbi say?

(d)Why will Rebbi's explanation tie up nicely with the Pasuk in Shemini "Hu asher Diber Hash-m bi'Kerovai Ekadesh"?

11)

(a)The Tana says - that ...

1. ... until the Mishkan was erected, it was the Bechoros who performed the Avodah.

2. ... the Olah in question required Hefshet ve'Nitu'ach, whereas according to Rav Chana's previous rulings, Nadav and Avihu took over the Avodah already at Sinai, and the Olos did not require Hefshet and Nitu'ach.

(b)To which Rav Chanah replied - Tanai Hi (the first point [initially] is subject to a Machlokes Tana'im).

(c)Rebbi Yehoshua ben Korchah in a Beraisa, interprets "ha'Kohanim" in the Pasuk "ve'Gam ha'Kohanim ha'Nigashim el Hash-m Yiskadashu", as Bechoros, whereas, according to Rebbi - it refers to Nadav and Avihu.

(d)Rebbi's explanation ties up nicely with the Pasuk in Shemini "Hu asher Diber Hash-m bi'Kerovai Ekadesh" - because the prediction implied there refers to the above Pasuk, to which Hash-m added that if those Kohanim go too close, Hash-m will cause a breach in them (which is precisely what happened later [in Shemini], when they did indeed go too close).

12)

(a)According to Rebbi Yehoshua ben Korchah, "Hu asher Diber Hash-m ... " refers to the Pasuk in Tetzaveh "Veno'adti Shamah li'Venei Yisrael Venikdash bi'Chevodi". What does that mean? How does he read "bi'Chevodi"?

(b)How did Moshe understand this Pasuk when it was said to him?

(c)Based on what we just said, what did Moshe tell Aharon after his two sons died?

12)

(a)According to Rebbi Yehoshua ben Korchah, "Hu asher Diber Hash-m ... " refers to the Pasuk in Tetzaveh "Veno'adti Shamah li'Venei Yisrael Venikdash bi'Chevodi" - which he reads as bi'Mechubadai (in other words, Hash-m predicted that when He would appear to Yisrael in the newly-erected Mishkan, He would be sanctified by the death of His honored ones [a reference to Nadav and Avihu, as Rashi explains there]).

(b)When this Pasuk was said to Moshe - he interpreted it with regard to himself and his brother Aharon.

(c)Based on what we just said, following the death of Aharon's two sons, Moshe told him that - they had died in order to create a Kidush Hash-m.

13)

(a)What was Aharon's reaction to Moshe's comforting words?

(b)David Hamelech too, advocated silence in face of the Midas ha'Din, when he wrote in Tehilim "Dom Hash-m Ve'hischolel Lo". What did he mean by "Ve'hischolel Lo"?

(c)What did Shlomoh say (in Koheles) about this?

(d)What reward did Aharon receive for his silence?

13)

(a)When Aharon realized how close his sons were to Hash-m - he reacted to Moshe's comforting words by remaining silent (and accepting the Divine decree).

(b)David Hamelech too, advocated silence in face of the Midas ha'Din, when he wrote in Tehilim "Dom Hash-m *Ve'hischolel Lo*", by which he meant that - even if many of one's relatives are being killed, one must accept it in silence.

(c)In the same vein, Shlomoh said in Koheles that - there is a time when one is rewarded for being silent, and a time when one is rewarded for talking.

(d)Aharon's reward for his silence was that - the following Parshah, prohibiting Kohanim from drinking wine was said to him (and not to Moshe).

14)

(a)How did Rebbi Chiya bar Aba Amar Rebbi Yochanan read the Pasuk in Tehilim "Nora Elokim mi'Mikdashecha"? What does it then mean?

(b)And how does Rav Chanah bar Rav Ketina answer the Kashya from Hefshet and Nitu'ach?

(c)Rebbi Yishmael in a Beraisa, says K'lalos Ne'emru be'Sinai u'P'ratos Ne'emru be'Ohel Mo'ed. Assuming that the former statement refers to the Pasuk in Yisro "Mizbach Adamah Ta'aseh Li Vezavachta alav ... ", what is Rebbi Yishmael now saying?

(d)And what does Rebbi Akiva hold?

14)

(a)Rebbi Chiya bar Aba Amar Rebbi Yochanan reads the Pasuk in Tehilim "Nora Elokim mi'Mikdashecha" as - "Nora Elokim mi'Mekudashecha", - Hash-m is revered when He performs Din with His holy ones.

(b)Rav Chanah bar Rav Ketina answers the Kashya from Hefshet and Nitu'ach in the same way as he answered the previous Kashya - Tana'i Hi (as we will now see).

(c)Rebbi Yishmael in a Beraisa, says K'lalos Ne'emru be'Sinai u'P'ratos Ne'emru be'Ohel Mo'ed. Assuming that the former statement refers to the Pasuk in Yisro "ve'Im Mizbach Adamah Ta'aseh Li Vezavachta Alav ... ", Rebbi Yishmael is now saying that - although they were told the K'lalei Korban at Har Sinai, the P'ratim (such as Hefshet and Nitu'ach) were only handed to them later in the Ohel Mo'ed), in which case, Hefshet and Nitu'ach were not performed with the Olah at Har Sinai (like Rav Chanah bar Ketina).

(d)According to Rebbi Akiva - they were told both the K'lalim and the P'ratim at Har Sinai, and again in the Ohel Mo'ed and a third time, at Arvos Mo'av (in which case, they were performed at Har Sinai).

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