12th CYCLE DEDICATION
GITIN 67 (16 Elul) - sponsored by Chaim and Caroline Turkel of London in honor of the marriage of their daughter Rivka Ruth to Avraham Mordechai Gross. May the young couple merit to build a Bayis Ne'eman l'Tiferes b'Yisrael and to raise their own children and grandchildren to lives filled with Torah and Yir'as Shamayim!

1)

(a)We just explained that 'Chasam Sofer v'Ed' is Kosher according to Rebbi Yosi, based on the fact that, even though 'Imru l'Sofer v'Yichtov li'Ploni u'Ploni v'Yachtemu' is Kosher, one should not appoint a Shali'ach in this way. Consequently, it is unusual for it to occur, and whenever something is unusual, Chazal did not decree an Isur on account of it. What do we ask from 'Amar Lehu l'bei T'rei Imru l'Sofer v'Yichtov, v'Atem Chasumu'? Why might this case be less conducive to 'Chasam Sofer v'Ed' than the previous one?

(b)In what way do we therefore change our minds with regard to the opinion of Rebbi Yosi?

(c)Then how can Amora'im argue over whether 'Kosher v'Se'aseh' or Kosher v'Lo Se'aseh'?

(d)What do we then mean when we say that Shmuel holds like Rebbi Yosi in one issue, but not in the other?

1)

(a)We just explained that 'Chasam Sofer v'Ed' is Kosher according to Rebbi Yosi, based on the fact that, even though 'Imru l'Sofer v'Yichtov li'Ploni u'Ploni v'Yachtemu' is Kosher, one should not appoint a Shali'ach in this way. Consequently, it is unusual for it to occur, and whenever something is unusual, Chazal did not decree an Isur on account of it. We ask from 'Amar Lehu l'bei T'rei Imru l'Sofer v'Yichtov, v'Atem Chasumu', which will be less conducive to 'Chasam Sofer v'Ed' than the previous one according to those who hold that not only is such a Shelichus Kosher, but that it is permitted l'Chatchilah, and therefore prone to the decree.

(b)We therefore change our minds with regard to the opinion of Rebbi Yosi, who in fact holds that 'Mili Lo Mimseri li'Shali'ach', even if the Meshale'ach said 'Imru ... '.

(c)And the Amora'im who argue over whether 'Kosher v'Se'aseh' or Kosher v'Lo Sa'aseh' hold like Rebbi Meir (who holds 'Mili Mimseran li'Shali'ach').

(d)When we say that Shmuel holds like Rebbi Yosi in one issue but not in the other we mean that he holds like him regarding 'Mili Lo Mimseri li'Shali'ach' (as long as the Meshale'ach did not say 'Imru l'Sofer v'Yichtov'), but not where he said 'Imru l'Sofer v'Yichtov', in which case the Get is Kosher.

2)

(a)Rebbi Shimon b'Rebbi asked Shmuel why, considering that Rebbi Meir and Chanina Ish Ono argue with Rebbi Yosi, Rebbi nevertheless ruled like him. What did Shmuel reply?

2)

(a)Rebbi Shimon b'Rebbi asked Shmuel why, considering that Rebbi Meir and Chanina Ish Ono argue with Rebbi Yosi, Rebbi nevertheless ruled like him. He replied that, had he seen Rebbi Yosi, he would not have asked such a question, because Rebbi Yosi always supported his opinions with sound reasoning ('Nimuko Imo').

3)

(a)Isi ben Yehudah listed the strong points of some of the Tana'im. He described Rebbi Meir as a Chacham and a Sofer. How did he describe Rebbi Yehudah?

(b)What did he mean when he described ...

1. ... Rebbi Tarfon as a pile of nuts?

2. ... Rebbi Yishmael as a well-stocked storehouse of wine?

3. ... Rebbi Akiva as an 'Otzar B'lum'?

(c)Isi referred to Rebbi Yochanan ben Nuri as a Kupah shel Ruchlin (a peddler's box), and Rebbi Elazar ben Azaryah as a Kupah shel Besamim. What is the difference between them?

(d)What did he mean when he said ...

1. ... 'Mishnas Rebbi Eliezer ben Yakov as Kav v'Naki'?

2. ... about Rebbi Shimon 'Tochen Harbeh u'Motzi Kim'a'?

(e)Why did the latter instruct his disciples to learn his Torah?

3)

(a)Isi ben Yehudah listed the strong points of some of the Tana'im. He described Rebbi Meir as a Chacham and a Sofer and Rebbi Yehudah as a Chacham whenever he put his mind to it (see Tosfos DH 'Chacham').

(b)When he described ...

1. ... Rebbi Tarfon as a pile of nuts he meant that like a pile of nuts, which all tumble down when one pulls one nut out of it, so was Rebbi Tarfon. When a Talmid would ask him a question, Chumash, Medrash, Mishnah Halachah and Agadah would all come 'tumbling out'.

2. ... Rebbi Yishmael as a well-stocked wine store he meant that he always had an answer ready to any question that he was asked.

3. ... Rebbi Akiva as an 'Otzar B'lum' that he had a tremendous store of knowledge that he had acquired as he learned it from his Rabanim; Chumash, Medrash, Halachah and Agadah, but which he later compartmentalized (which is what 'Otzar B'lum' means a storehouse, which has clearly-defined compartments), Chumash in one compartment, Medrash in another ... .

(c)Isi referred to Rebbi Yochanan ben Nuri as a Kupah shel Ruchlin (a peddler's box), and Rebbi Elazar ben Azaryah as a Kupah shel Besamim. The difference between them is that the former (bearing in mind the nature of a peddler) contains more species.

(d)When Isi said ...

1. ... 'Mishnas Rebbi Eliezer ben Yakov Kav v'Naki' he meant that he did not teach his disciples as much as his contemporaries, but that on account of their clarity, all his teachings are Halachah.

2. ... about Rebbi Shimon 'Tochen Harbeh u'Motzi Kim'a' he meant that, he absorbed a tremendous amount of knowledge, only forgetting those things that were not Halachah anyway ('Mashkach Kim'a [he didn't forget much] u'Mah she'Motzi Eino Motzi Ela Subin'.

(e)The latter instructed his disciples to learn his Torah because it comprised the choice selection of the sayings of Rebbi Akiva.

4)

(a)If someone asks two people to appoint a Sofer to write a Get and two people to sign it, the Shtar is Kosher. Why then, does Rav Yehudah Amar Rav forbid doing this l'Chatchilah?

(b)What does the Beraisa say about witnesses whose signatures appear on a document of sale or on a Get?

(c)How does Rav Yehudah Amar Rav reconcile his suspicions with the Beraisa, which trusts the witnesses' integrity?

(d)Why is the matter not so clear-cut (le'Isur) when it comes to a man asking two witnesses to ask a Sofer to write the Get and that they themselves should sign?

4)

(a)If someone asks two people to appoint a Sofer to write a Get and two people to sign it, the Shtar is Kosher. Rav Yehudah Amar Rav nevertheless forbids doing this l'Chatchilah because he is afraid that the man's wife might hire two people to appoint a Sofer and witnesses to write her a Get.

(b)The Beraisa rules that witnesses whose signatures appear on a document of sale or on a Get are above suspicion, and the Shtar is valid.

(c)Rav Yehudah Amar Rav reconciles his suspicions with the Beraisa, which trusts the witnesses' integrity by differentiating between the suspicion of actually signing a Shtar falsely and merely asking others to do so.

(d)The matter is not so clear-cut (le'Isur) when it comes to a man asking two witnesses to ask a Sofer to write the Get and that they themselves should sign because, now that it is forbidden for witnesses to sign a Get unless they are actually asked to do so by the husband himself, there is no longer any cause for suspicion.

5)

(a)In the latter case, Rav Chisda and Rabah bar bar Chanah, Rav Nachman and Rav Sheshes and Rabah and Rav Yosef argue over the matter. In each case, the former holds 'Kosher v'Lo Se'aseh', the latter, 'Kosher v'Se'aseh'. Seeing as the cause for suspicion no longer exists, why are the former pair stringent?

(b)There is a second Lashon which switches the opinions of one of the pairs. Which one?

5)

(a)In the latter case, Rav Chisda and Rabah bar bar Chanah, Rav Nachman and Rav Sheshes and Rabah and Rav Yosef argue over the matter. In each case, the former holds 'Kosher v'Lo Se'aseh', the latter, 'Kosher v'Se'aseh'. The former are stringent (despite the fact that the cause for suspicion no longer exists) because it is all part of the one decree (not to write a Get or to sign it unless one is asked by the husband himself).

(b)There is a second Lashon which switches the opinions of one of the pairs the last one, Rabah and Rav Yosef.

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6)

(a)What will be the Din if ...

1. ... a man asks ten men to take a Get to his wife?

2. ... he adds the word 'Kulchem'?

(b)If, instead of saying 'Kulchem', he calls each of them by name, Rav Huna does not consider it like Kulchem, Rebbi Yochanan in the name of Rebbi Elazar from Rome, does. What does Rav Papa comment about this 'Machlokes'?

(c)Some say that Rebbi Yochanan is speaking when he called them all by name (because this shows that he is fussy that they all participate), and Rav Huna, when he only called out some of them. What do others say?

6)

(a)If ...

1. ... a man asks ten men to take a Get to his wife only one of them need actually take it to her.

2. ... he adds the word 'Kulchem' then one of them takes it, but the other nine are obligated to accompany him (otherwise, the Get is Batel).

(b)If, instead of saying 'Kulchem', he calls each of them by name, Rav Huna does not consider it like Kulchem, Rebbi Yochanan in the name of Rebbi Elazar from Rome, does. Rav Papa comments that this is not really a 'Machlokes' at all, because the one speaks when he called each of the ten names, the other, when he only called one of them by name.

(c)Some say that Rebbi Yochanan is speaking when he called them all by name (because this shows that he is fussy that they all participate), and Rav Huna, when he only called out some of them. Others say that if he called them all by name, then, not having actually said 'Kulchem', even Rebbi Yochanan will agree that he is not fussy. It is when he only calls some of them that he is fussy, and all those that he called must participate in the Shelichus.

7)

(a)What Takanah did Rav Yehudah initiate in all cases where a man asks many people to write a Get for his wife, to sign it or to take it to her?

(b)What objection did Rava raise to this Takanah?

(c)So how did he amend it?

7)

(a)Rav Yehudah initiated that, whenever a man asks many people to write a Get for his wife, to sign it or to take it to her that he must explicitly state that either all of them must write, sign or take the Get to his wife, or that any one of them must write or take the Get to his wife, or two of them must sign it.

(b)Rava objected however on the grounds that sometimes, the husband might inadvertently stop after 'Kulchem', with the result that, should they not all participate in the actual Shelichus, the Get will be invalid.

(c)So he amends the Takanah by omitting 'Kulchem' altogether. Consequently, a husband who addresses many people when appointing a Shali'ach ha'Get, is obligated to specifically appoint one of them to write the Get or bring it to his wife, or two of them to sign it.

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8)

(a)Our Mishnah discusses the Din of someone who has been seized by Kurdaikus or struck dumb who gives a Get. What is 'Kurdaikus'?

(b)What does the Tana rule in a case where someone ...

1. ... who has been seized by Kurdaikus instructs a Shali'ach to write his wife a Get?

2. ... appoints a Shali'ach to write his wife a Get, and then, after he is seized by Kurdaikus, he cancels the Shelichus?

(c)If we ask a man who has been struck dumb whether he wishes to divorce his wife, how will we know whether he really wishes us to write the Get or not?

(d)Why did the Tana find it necessary to tell us about Kurdaikus, and not just simply say 'Someone who drank fresh wine and was harmed by it'?

8)

(a)Our Mishnah discusses the Din of someone who has been seized by Kurdaikus (a female demon who takes control over someone who drinks a lot of wine straight from the vat) or struck dumb who gives a Get.

(b)The Tana rule in a case where someone ...

1. ... who has been seized by Kurdaikus instructs a Shali'ach to write his wife a Get, the Shelichus is invalid.

2. ... appoints a Shali'ach to write his wife a Get, and then, after he is seized by Kurdaikus, he cancels the Shelichus the Shelichus remains intact.

(c)If we ask a man who has been struck dumb whether he wishes to divorce his wife, we will know that he really wishes us to write the Get or not if he gives the appropriate nod to each of a number of simple questions that we ask him (three times for each question).

(d)The Tana found it necessary to tell us about Kurdaikus, and not just simply say 'Someone who drank fresh wine and was harmed by it' to enable one to dispel it by means of a Kamei'a, which requires the name of the demon to be specifically mentioned.

9)

(a)What is the relevance of lean meat roasted on coals and well-diluted wine with regard to Kurdaikus?

(b)What is the connection between Kurdaikus and the third day of an illness caused by overheating in the sun (dehydration)?

(c)What is the cure for the latter illness ...

1. ... on the first day?

2. ... on the second day?

(d)Should the illness persist, one takes a black chicken and tears it open along the length and breadth. What does one do next?

9)

(a)The relevance of lean meat roasted on coals and well-diluted wine with regard to Kurdaikus is that it is the official cure for it.

(b)The connection between Kurdaikus and the third day of an illness caused by overheating in the sun (dehydration) is that the same cure serves both.

(c)The cure for the latter illness ...

1. ... on the first day is a jar of water.

2. ... on the second day is letting blood, using a horn.

(d)Should the illness persist, one takes a black chicken and tears it open along the length and breadth before shaving the middle of the sick man's head and placing it on that spot, leaving it there until it becomes putrid. Then he stands in water until he feels weak, following which he goes for a swim, leaves the water and sits down.

10)

(a)If the official cure for a third-day sunstroke is lean meat roasted on coals and well-diluted wine, what is the cure for frostbite?

(b)How did Rav Amram Chasida get frostbite?

(c)What subtle means did he use to get himself cured?

(d)Why did the servants of the Reish Galusa (the Exilarch) not like him?

10)

(a)The official cure for a third-day sunstroke is lean meat roasted on coals and well-diluted wine, for frostbite it is fat meat roasted on coals and undiluted wine.

(b)Rav Amram Chasida got frostbite when the members of the Reish Galusa's household made him sleep in the snow overnight.

(c)When they asked the following day what he wanted he reckoned that if he were to tell them that he wanted fat meat roasted on coals and undiluted wine, they would give him the opposite, so he said he wanted lean meat roasted on coals and well-diluted wine (and got what he wanted).

(d)The servants of the Reish Galusa did not like him because he was a Chasid (went beyond the letter of the law), and was very strict not only with himself, but also with others.

11)

(a)Apparently, the above cure is incomplete. What did Yalsa do when she heard about Rav Amram Chasida's predicament? Who was Yalsa?

(b)What subsequently happened to his skin?

(c)When Rav Yosef got frostbite, he would run the mill. What would Rav Sheshes do?

(d)How did this affect their frostbite?

11)

(a)Apparently, the above cure is incomplete. When Yalsa (daughter of the Reish Galusa and Rav Nachman's wife) heard about Rav Amram Chasida's predicament she placed him in a hot bath, until the water turned red from the perspiration (that dripped from him as a result of the wine and the meat that he had eaten.

(b)Round blotches subsequently appeared on his skin.

(c)When Rav Yosef got frostbite, he would run the mill. Rav Sheshes would carry heavy beams of wood.

(d)This affected the frostbite because becoming hot is a good antidote to frostbite.

12)

(a)What reason did Rav Sheshes give the Reish Galusa for not eating by him?

(b)How did Rav Sheshes prove his point to a skeptical Reish Galusa?

12)

(a)When the Reish Galusa asked Rav Sheshes why he did not eat by him, he replied that he could not possibly eat in a house where the servants were suspected of eating 'Eiver min ha'Chai'.

(b)Rav Sheshes proved his point to a skeptical Reish Galusa by first asking his own servant to bring him a leg from the animal which they would later serve him; and when he complained that the animal that they were serving only had three legs, they fetched another leg, at which Rav Sheshes produced the first leg, ad asked them whether this animal had five legs.

13)

(a)When the servants of the Reish Galusa eventually served him, how did he know that what they were serving him was Kosher?

(b)What did he discover as he was about to start eating? Why did they think he would not see it?

(c)So how did he discover it?

(d)Why did he not eat the rest of the meat? What did he do with it?

13)

(a)When the servants of the Reish Galusa eventually served him, he knew that what they were serving him was Kosher because they prepared it in front of his servant.

(b)When he was about to start eating he discovered a small bone from the vicinity of the thigh, which they had deliberately served him, thinking that he would not see it (because he was blind), and hoping that he would choke over it.

(c)He discover it by feeling the meat.

(d)He did not eat the rest of the meat because he realized that it was stricken with leprosy; so he wrapped it in his head-cloth.

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