1)

THE EXTENT OF THE PROHIBITION OF GROWTHS OF TERUMAH (Yerushalmi Terumos Perek 9 Halachah 2 Daf 49b)

[דף פט עמוד ב (עוז והדר)] עד היכין

(a)

Question: (The Mishnah taught that growths from Tevel are permitted if the seed rots (when it's planted), but if it does not, even the growths from the growths are prohibited.) How far does this prohibition extend?

ר' יעקב בר אידי בשם ר' יוחנן עד שלוש גורנות אסורות (עד גורן הרביעית אסור) והרביעית מותר

(b)

Answer (R. Yaakov bar Idi citing R. Yochanan): Until the third replanting, but the fourth is permitted. (If the seed does not rot, the inner seed/bulb can be removed from the fully grown produce and replanted in the ground to produce again.)

ר' שמואל בר אבדומי בעי קומי ר' מנא בתרומה עד כמה

(c)

Question (R. Shmuel bar Avdumi to R. Mana): And what about Terumah itself?

א''ל עשו גורן הרביעית כגורן הראשונה מה גורן הראשונה דבר שזרעו כלה בתרומה אסור ובטבל מותר אף גורן הרביעית בדבר שאין זרעו כלה בתרומה אסור ובטבל מותר

(d)

Answer (R. Mana): Even the fourth replanting is prohibited, like the first planting. Just as for the first planting, for a species where the seed rots, its Terumah is prohibited and its Tevel is permitted; so too for the fourth replanting of a species where the seed does not rot, its Terumah is prohibited and its Tevel is permitted.

[דף נ עמוד א] מה אית לך

(e)

Question: (The Mishnah listed Luf, garlic and onions as examples of species where the seed does not rot.) What is another example of this?

א''ר יוסי ב''ר בון כגון הכלוכסין

(f)

Answer (R. Yosi b'R. Bun): For example, the Kluksin bean.

רבי אבהו בשם רבי יוסי בן חנינא השום עד כשעורין לדבר שזרעו כלה מכאן ואילך לדבר שאין זרעו כלה

(g)

(R. Abahu citing R. Yosi ben Chanina): (In the Mishnah (Chulin 107(e)), R. Yehuda said that garlic is like barley (whose seeds rot).) R. Yehuda means that until the size of a barley kernel, garlic is considered to be a species whose seed rots; but bigger than that, it is considered a species whose seed does not rot.

ר' יוסי ב''ר בון בשם ר' יוסי בן חנינא השום (עד) כשעורים לכל דבר:

(h)

(R. Yosi b'R. Bun citing R. Yosi ben Chanina): (Disagreeing) Garlic is like barley in all ways (in that it is always considered a species whose seed rots).

2)

A JEWISH WORKER & PLANTINGS OF TERUMAH (Yerushalmi Terumos Perek 9 Halachah 3 Daf 50a)

משנה המנכש עם הנכרי בחסיות אע''פ שפירותיו טבל אוכל מהן עראי

(a)

(Mishnah): If a Jewish worker weeds leek plants in a gentile's field, even though his produce is Tevel (since according to this opinion, a gentile cannot make an acquisition in Eretz Yisrael to exempt it from tithing), the worker may snack from it.

שתילי תרומה שנטמאו שתלן טהרו מלטמא [דף צ עמוד א (עוז והדר)] ואסורים מלוכל עד שיגום את האוכל רבי יהודא אומר עד שיגום וישנה:

(b)

Plantings of Terumah that became Tamei and were replanted become Tahor (and cannot convey Tumah to other things). They may not be eaten until the edible part has been cut off. R. Yehuda says that he must cut it off a second time (in order to permit it to be eaten).

גמרא רב חייא בר אשי בשם רבי אבהו בשם ר' יוחנן דר''ש היא

(c)

(Gemara) (R. Chiya bar Ashi citing R. Abahu citing R. Yochanan): The Tana (who permits snacking on growths of Terumah) is R. Shimon who says that a gentile can make an acquisition on land in Eretz Yisrael to exempt it from tithing (and therefore it's permitted to snack on it).

אין כר''ש למה לי עראי אפילו קבע

(d)

Question: If so, why may he only snack on it rather than eat regularly?

אלא בגין דאמר רבי ירמיה רבי חייא בשם רבי יוחנן מודי ר''ש שהוא מפריש מעשרותיו מהלכה לפום כן צריכין מימר דר''ש היא

(e)

Answer: Rather, since R. Yirmiyah & R. Chiya said in the name of R. Yochanan that R. Shimon agrees that a gentile's produce is considered Rabbinic Tevel, they only permitted snacking.

תני המנכש עם הכותי מותר בדמאי הא בודאי לא למה שדמאי בטל במחובר לקרקע ואין גידולי[ו] (איסור מעלין אותו)[אסורין]

(f)

(Baraisa): If a person weeds on a Kusi's land - the produce is permitted (to snack on) like Demai (produce bought from an Am HaAretz, where it is unknown if he tithed). But if he certainly didn't tithe (before he planted), it is not permitted. The first case is permitted because its prohibition is annulled when it is attached to the ground and they didn't apply a Rabbinic Tevel to its growths.

רבי אבהו בשם ר''י שתילי (תרומה)[חולין] שנטמאו שתלן ועושה אותן תרומה [דף צ עמוד ב (עוז והדר)] ואם היו תרומה מעיקרן כבר נדחו

(g)

(R. Abahu citing R. Yochanan): If plantings of Chulin became Tamei and he planted them again (thereby making them Tahor), he may now declare them Terumah (and they may now be eaten by Kohanim). But if they were originally plantings of Terumah and they then became Tamei, planting them again will not help (as the prohibition of Terumah remains).

רבי אבהו בשם רבי יוחנן מים שניטמאו משיקן ועושה אותן מי חג ואם היו מי חג מעיקרן כבר נדחו

(h)

(R. Abahu citing R. Yochanan): If Chulin water became Tamei, one may do Hashakah and it can then be used for the water libations on Succos. (Hashakah means that he puts the water into a stone vessel and then lowers it into a Mikveh until the two waters touch. This removes the Tumah.) But if it was already sanctified as water for the libations before it became Tamei, it doesn't help.

רבי אבהו בשם רבי יוחנן תאנים וענבים שנטמאו סוחטן ועושה אותן תרומה ואם היו תרומה מעיקרן כבר נדחו

(i)

(R. Abahu citing R. Yochanan): If figs and grapes became Tamei, he may squeeze them and make the juices into Terumah. (The juices are viewed as if they are 'collected in a vessel' inside them, so they are not connected to the Tumah of the outer skin.) But if they were Terumah from beforehand, it doesn't help to squeeze them.

ר''ז רבי יוסי בשם ר''א סוחטן עד פחות (מכזיתים)[מכביצה] ויינו כשר אפי' לנסכים

(j)

(R. Zeira/ R. Yosi citing R. Elazar): If he squeezed less than an eggs-amount from them, it is permitted to use the wine even for libations on the Mizbeach.

אמרין רשב''ל פליג מה (בין) לקולא (בין)[מה] לחומרא

(k)

Question (Bnei Chabura): R. Shimon ben Lakish disagrees (with R. Abahu's teaching (above (i))), (but we don't know how). Is he more lenient than R. Yochanan (and holds that even if they were Terumah beforehand, once they have been planted, they become Tahor and permitted to Kohanim) or is he more stringent (and holds that even if he planted Chulin that had become Tamei he may not declare them Terumah)?

[דף נ עמוד ב] אין תימר לקולא ניחא אין תימר לחומרא הא תנינן עד שיגום את האוכלין

(l)

Answer: If he is more lenient, it is understandable. But if he is more stringent, didn't the Mishnah teach that after Tamei Terumah was replanted, it may not be eaten until the edible part has been cut off? (This shows that planting Tamei Terumah doesn't make it Tahor.)

רבי אבהו בשם רבי יוחנן כיני מתניתא עד שיגום בעלים וישנה:

(m)

(R. Abahu citing R. Yochanan): (In the Mishnah, R. Yehuda disagreed and said that he must cut it off a second time in order to permit it to be eaten.) This means that they are prohibited until he cuts off the leaves, leaving them to grow again, and when he cuts off those second leaves, the leaves are now permitted to eat.

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