1)

(a)How do we reconcile Rav Huna, who just forbade a kid-goat that one roasted together with its Cheilev, with Rabah bar bar Chanah, who testified that when the community of Ma'on sent Rebbi Yochanan a similar She'eilah, he permitted peeling and eating it up to the Cheilev ('Kolef ve'Ochel ad she'Magi'a le'Chelbo')?

(b)Why is that?

(c)According to Rav Huna bar Yehudah, the case that came before Rebbi Yochanan was not that of a kid goat, but of a kidney that was roasted together with its Cheilev. What makes that better than the case of a kid goat?

1)

(a)To reconcile Rav Huna, who just forbade a kid that one roasted together with its Cheilev, with Rabah bar bar Chanah, who testified that when the community of Ma'on sent Rebbi Yochanan a similar She'eilah he permitted peeling and eating it up to the Cheilev ('Kolef ve'Ochel ad she'Magi'a le'Chelbo') - we establish the latter by a lean goat, which is permitted.

(b)... either because the Cheilev does not spread to other parts of the body, or because it is Bateil be'Shishim (Tosfos DH 'ha'Hu Kachush Havi').

(c)According to Rav Huna bar Yehudah, the case that came before Rebbi Yochanan was not that of a kid goat, but of a kidney that was roasted together with its Cheilev, which is 'better' than the case of a kid goat - because the kidney's membrane (that divides between the meat and the Cheilev_ - prevents the Cheilev from spreading to the Basar.

2)

(a)According to Ravin bar Rav Ada, the She'eilah that came before Rebbi Yochanan involved Kilchis that was cooked in a pot together with meat. What is Kilchis? What was the She'eilah?

(b)He ruled that a Nochri baker should taste it. On what condition would the Nochri baker be believed?

(c)What is the significance of the fact that he was a baker (see Tosfos DH 'Samchinan a'Kefeila')?

2)

(a)According to Ravin bar Rav Ada, the She'eilah that came before Rebbi Yochanan involved Kilchis (little Tamei fish) that was cooked in a pot together with meat, and the She'eilah was - whether the meat contained sixty times the amount of the Kilchis or not.

(b)He ruled that a Nochri baker should taste it, and he would be believed on condition that - he was not aware of the fact that the issue was one that concerned religion,.

(c)The significance of the fact that he was a baker is - that a professional (as opposed to an ordinary Nochri) would not risk losing his reputation by giving wrong information (Tosfos DH 'Samchinan a'Kefeila').

3)

(a)What does the Beraisa say about ...

1. ... a pot in which one cooked meat, or one in which one cooked Terumah for a Kohen?

2. ... a case where, in spite of the prohibition, one did?

(b)How did Rava interpret the Tana's latter ruling (with regard to a pot in which one cooked Terumah for a Kohen)?

(c)What problem did he initially have with the earlier ruling (with regard to a pot in which one cooked first meat and then milk)?

(d)How did he resolve the problem?

3)

(a)The Beraisa rules - that ...

1. ... one is forbidden to cook milk in a pot in which one cooked meat, or Chulin for a Yisrael in a pot in which one cooked Terumah for a Kohen.

2. ... if in spite of the prohibition, one did - then it is Asur, provided the former (that is absorbed in the walls of the pot) gives taste (Nosein Ta'am) to the latter.

(b)Rava interpreted the Tana's latter ruling (with regard to a pot in which one cooked Terumah for a Kohen) to mean that - the Kohen should then taste it and inform the Yisrael whether it was 'Nosen Ta'am' or not.

(c)The problem he initially had with the earlier ruling (with regard to a pot in which one cooked first meat and then milk) was - how they would discover whether it was Nosen Ta'am or not.

(d)Based on Rebbi Yochanan previous ruling however - he established the Beraisa by a Nochri baker, whom they would ask to taste it.

4)

(a)How does Rava reconcile Chazal's three seemingly contradictory rulings be'Ta'ama, bi'Kefeila, be'Shishim? Under which conditions did they say ...

1. ... be'Ta'ama?

2. ... bi'Kefeila?

3. ... be'Shishim?

4)

(a)Rava reconciles Chazal's three seemingly contradictory rulings be'Ta'ama, bi'Kefeila, be'Shishim'. They said ...

1. ... be'Ta'ama - in a case of Miyn be'she'Eino Miyno of Heter.

2. ... bi'Kefeila - in a case of Miyn be'she'Eino Miyno of Isur

3. ... be'Shishim - in a case of Miyn be'Miyno, or of Miyn be'she'Eino Miyno of Isur, but where no Nochri baker is available.

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5)

(a)Ravina forbade the thighs that were salted in the Resh Galusa's house together with their Gid ha'Nasheh. What did Rav Acha (some add 'b'rei de'Rav') say?

(b)It seems that Rav Acha's source was a statement of Shmuel concerning Meli'ach and Kavush. What is the difference between them?

(c)What did Shmuel say about them?

5)

(a)Ravina forbade the thighs that were salted in the Resh Galusa's house together with their Gid ha'Nasheh - Rav Acha (some add b'rei de'Rav) permitted them.

(b)It seems that Rav Acha's source was a statement of Shmuel concerning Meli'ach, which means that - Heter was salted together with Isur, and Kavush, which means that - it was pickled in vinegar and spices.

(c)Shmuel ruled that - Meli'ach is like being heated together, and Kavush, like being cooked together.

6)

(a)How did Ravina interpret heated (Rose'ach)?

(b)How did Rav Acha bar Rav prove him wrong?

(c)What makes roasted more lenient than cooked?

(d)When the Resh Galusa sent the case to Mar bar Rav Ashi, what did he quote his father as having said?

6)

(a)Ravina interpreted heated (Rose'ach) to mean - cooked.

(b)Rav Acha bar Rav proved him wrong however - from the second ruling Kavush, Harei hu ki'Mevushal, implying that Rose'ach refers to the heating of roasting ...

(c)... which is more lenient, since there is no water to spread the taste of the Isur to the Heter.

(d)When the Resh Galusa sent the case to Mar bar Rav Ashi, he quoted his father as having said that - the thighs were permitted (like Rav Acha).

7)

(a)Rebbi Chanina maintains that when reckoning be'Shishim, one includes in the sixty, the gravy, the sediment, the pieces of meat and the pot. What might he have meant by the pot?

(b)Like which interpretation ought we to rule?

(c)Why, in fact, do we not rule like either of them?

7)

(a)Rebbi Chanina maintains that when reckoning 'be'Shishim', one includes in the sixty, the gravy, the sediment, the pieces of meat and the pot, by which he means - either the entire pot, or whatever the pot absorbed.

(b)We ought to rule - like the second interpretation (which is the more stringent of the two, seeing as the outcome involves an Isur d'Oraysa).

(c)In fact, we do not rule like either of them - on the basis of a ruling later, which argues that just as the pot absorbed some of the Heter, it also absorbed some of the Heter (in which case they cancel each other out).

8)

(a)As we already learned, our Mishnah considers a thigh cooked together with its Gid like meat in turnip (taste-wise). What does Rebbi Yochanan say about all other Isurin that are cooked together with Isur?

(b)Why the difference?

(c)Why do we not simply ...

1. ... taste the mixture or give it to a Nochri to taste?

2. ... reckon be'Shishim?

(d)Rebbi Aba asked Abaye why we do not reckon the mixture like meat cooked together with (sharp) peppers or spices. What if we did?

(e)What did Abaye answer him?

8)

(a)As we already learned, our Mishnah considers a thigh cooked together with its Gid like meat in turnip (taste-wise). All other Isurin that are cooked together with Isur however - Rebbi Yochanan considers meat that is cooked in onions or leeks ...

(b)... which are stronger than turnips (and therefore require more Heter to annul the taste than Gid, which (even though our Mishnah holds Yesh be'Gidin be'Nosen Ta'am) possess a weaker taste than other meat.

(c)We cannot simply ...

1. ... taste the mixture or give it to a Nochri to taste - because we are referring to a case of Miyn be'Miyno, or where no Nochri is available to taste it.

2. ... reckon be'Shishim - because Rebbi Yochanan is speaking before the Heter of Shishim was taught.

(d)Rebbi Aba asked Abaye why we do not reckon the mixture like meat cooked together with (sharp) peppers or spices - in which case it would not be Bateil at all (even in a thousand, as is the ruling with peppers and spices).

(e)Abaye answered that - there is no Isur which gives taste to Heter that is stronger than the taste of onions and leeks.

9)

(a)What did Rav Nachman mean when he ruled ...

1. ... K'chal be'Shishim'? What is K'chal?

2. ... Beitzah be'Shishim?

(b)What third ruling did he add to that?

(c)Why did he exclude the Gid itself from the Shishim, but include the K'chal?

(d)What did he say in this regard, regarding Beitzah be'Shishim?

9)

(a)When Rav Nachman ruled ...

1. ... K'chal (a cow's udder) be'Shishim, he meant - that if a K'chal is cooked together with meat that comprises sixty times as much as it, it is permitted (see Tosfos DH 'Kol Isurin').

2. ... Beitzah be'Shishim, he meant that - if a Tamei egg is cooked with sixty Kasher eggs, they are permitted.

(b)And he added to that - Gid be'Shishim.

(c)He excluded the Gid itself from the Shishim, but included the K'chal - because whereas the former is intrinsically Asur, the latter is intrinsically Mutar.

(d)By the same token therefore, he ruled Beitzah be'Shishim - ve'Ein Beitzah min ha'Minyan'.

10)

(a)Rebbi Yitzchak b'rei de'Rav Mesharshaya added that the K'chal itself is forbidden. Why is that?

(b)What did he add to that regarding a K'chal that fell into another pot of meat?

(c)What She'eilah did Rav Ashi ask Rav Kahana, with regard to that ruling?

(d)Why did Rav Kahana take for granted the first side of the She'eilah?

10)

(a)Rebbi Yitzchak b'rei de'Rav Mesharshaya added that the K'chal itself is forbidden - since the meat inevitably gives taste to it.

(b)He added to this that if the K'chal falls into another pot of meat (which does not contain Shishim) - it renders it Asur.

(c)Rav Ashi asked Rav Kahana - whether one requires sixty times the K'chal or sixty times the milk that it exudes into the pot.

(d)In reply, Rav Kahana took for granted the first side of the She'eilah - because there is no way of knowing how much the pot exuded into the Heter.

11)

(a)Based on what we just learned, what makes us suggest that if the K'chal subsequently falls into a second pot of meat, the pot ought to be permitted?

(b)Then why is it in fact, forbidden?

11)

(a)Based on what we just learned, we suggest that if the K'chal subsequently falls into a second pot of meat, the pot ought to be permitted - because, since there was sixty times the K'chal in the first pot, it ought to adopt the taste of meat, and not forbid the second pot into which it subsequently fell.

(b)And the reason that it is not is - because the moment Rav Yitzchak b'rei de'Rav Meharshaya forbade the K'chal, the Chachamim gave it a Din of a piece of Neveilah ('Chatichah Na'asis Neveilah').

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