1)

KODSHIM THAT BECAME MIXED (cont.)

(דף עה,א) איתיביה אביי קרבן יחיד שנתערב בקרבן יחיד וקרבן ציבור שנתערב בקרבן ציבור וקרבן יחיד וקרבן ציבור שנתערבו זה בזה נותן ד' מתנות מכל אחד ואחד
(a)

Question (Abaye - Beraisa): If an individual's Korban was mixed with an individual's Korban, or a Korban Tzibur was mixed with a Korban Tzibur, or an individual's Korban was mixed with a Korban Tzibur, four Matanos of blood are made from each (Rebbi Kesav Yad - four Matanos in all);

ואם נתן מתנה מכל אחד יצא
1.

If one Matanah was done from each, each Korban is Kosher.

ואם נתן ארבע מכולן יצא
2.

If four Matanos were done from all of them, they are Kesherim (this will be explained).

במה דברים אמורים שנתערבו חיין אבל נתערבו שחוטין נותן ארבע מתנות מכולן ואם נתן מתנה אחת מכולן יצא
3.

This applies when they became mixed while they were alive. If they became mixed after Shechitah, he does four Matanos from all of them. If he did one Matanah from each, each is Kosher.

רבי אומר רואין את המתנה אם יש בה כדי לזה וכדי לזה כשרה ואם לאו פסולה
4.

Rebbi says, this depends. If the Matanah is big enough to contain (a Shi'ur of) blood for each animal, it is Kosher. If not, it is Pasul.

קתני יחיד דומיא דציבור מה ציבור גברי אף יחיד גברי
5.

Summation of question: Presumably, the case of (a Korban of) an individual resembles that of a Tzibur, i.e. it is of men (and we offer them)!

אמר רבא ותסברא הא מתרצתא היא דקתני במה דברים אמורים כשנתערבו חיין אבל נתערבו שחוטין לא מה לי חיים מה לי שחוטין
6.

Counter-question (Rava): Surely, the text of the Beraisa is mistaken! It says 'this is if they became mixed while they were alive, but not if it was after Shechitah.' Surely, this makes no difference!

אלא הכי קאמר בד"א שנתערבו שחוטין כעין חיים בכוסות אבל בבולל נותן ד' מתנות לכולן ואם נתן מתנה אחת לכולן יצא
(b)

Answer (to question and counter-question - Rava): The Beraisa should say 'this is if they became mixed after Shechitah in a way similar to becoming mixed while alive, i.e. the buckets (each with the blood of one Korban) became mixed, but it the bloods became mixed together, he does four Matanos for all of them;

רבי אומר רואין את המתנה אם יש בה כדי לזה וכדי לזה כשרה ואם לאו פסולה
(c)

Rebbi says, this depends. If the Matanah has enough blood for each, it is Kosher. If not, it is Pasul.

ומי אית ליה לרבי האי סברא
(d)

Question: Rebbi holds that there is no Shi'ur (required amount)!

והא תניא אמר רבי לדברי ר"א (דף עה,ב) הזאה כל שהוא מטהרת הזאה אינה צריכה שיעור
1.

(Beraisa - Rebbi): R. Eliezer holds that Haza'ah (with Mei Chatas) of any amount is Metaher. There is no Shi'ur!

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הזאה מחצה כשר ומחצה פסול
2.

It is Kosher even if half the water was Kosher and half Pasul.

לדבריו דר"א קאמר
(e)

Answer #1: Rebbi explains R. Eliezer's opinion, but Rebbi disagrees.

ואיבעית אימא הזאה לחוד ונתינה לחוד:
(f)

Answer #2: The law of Matanos of blood is unlike that of Haza'ah of Mei Chatas.

2)

KODSHIM MIXED WITH A BECHOR

נתערבו בבכור ומעשר כו':
(a)

(Mishnah): If they became mixed with Bechor or Ma'aser (Behemah)...

אמר רמי בר חמא בכור לב"ש אין מאכילין לנדות תמורתו מהו
(b)

Question #1 (Rami bar Chama): According to Beis Shamai, a Nidah may not eat a Bechor (even with a Mum). May she eat Temuras Bechor? (One said 'this Chulin animal is (Kodesh) in place of this Bechor.')

בכור אינו נפדה תמורתו מהו
(c)

Question #2 (Rami bar Chama): A Bechor may not be redeemed. Can Temuras Bechor be redeemed?

בכור אינו נשקל בליטרא תמורתו מהו
(d)

Question #3 (Rami bar Chama): One may not weigh meat of a (blemished) Bechor to sell it. May one weigh Temuras Bechor?

אמר רבא תניא בכור ומעשר משהוממו עושין תמורה ותמורתן כיוצא בהן
(e)

Answer (to all three questions - Rava - Beraisa): Temurah applies to Bechor and Ma'aser (even) after they became blemished. The law of the Temurah is like their law.

בעי רמי בר חמא התפיס בכור לבדק הבית מהו שישקול בליטרא
(f)

Question (Rami bar Chama): If a Kohen was Makdish a (blemished) Bechor to Bedek ha'Bayis, may we weigh the meat (to determine how much a buyer should pay to redeem it)?

רווחא דהקדש עדיף
1.

Since Hekdesh benefits from this, it is permitted;

או דלמא זילותא דבכור עדיף
2.

Or, we are more concerned for disgrace to Kodshim, so it is forbidden!

א"ר יוסי בר זבידא ת"ש נתערבו בבכור ובמעשר ירעו עד שיסתאבו ויאכלו כבכור וכמעשר
(g)

Answer #1 (R. Yosi bar Zvida - Mishnah): If they became mixed with Bechor or Ma'aser, they are Ro'im. All are eaten like Bechor or Ma'aser;

לאו למימרא דאינו נשקל בליטרא
1.

This teaches that they may not be sold by weight (even though the redemption money would be used for substitute Korbanos)!

רב הונא ורבי חזקיה תלמידי דרבי ירמיה אמרי מי דמי התם שתי קדושות ושני גופין
(h)

Rejection (Rav Huna and R. Chizkiyah (Talmidim of R. Yirmeyah)): We cannot learn from there. There, one may not sell an animal by weight (lest it is a Bechor) in order that we will receive more money for other Zevachim, which will be used for a Korban;

הכא שתי קדושות וגוף אחד
1.

Here, although the money will be for (Bedek ha'Bayis,) a different Kedushah than Bechor, the very animal we disgrace will bring a profit to Hekdesh!

מתקיף לה רבי יוסי בר אבין
(i)

Objection (R. Yosi bar Avin): Obviously, we may not weigh the meat!

מה אילו אמר הפדו לי בכור שהתפיסו לבדק הבית כלום שומעין לו
1.

If a Bechor Ba'al Mum (Tosfos - from birth) was Hukdash to Bedek ha'Bayis, would we allow one to redeem it (to allow him to work with it and shear it) in order that Hekdesh will receive more money?!

הפדו רחמנא אמר לא תפדה
(j)

Rejection: That is not comparable. Such a redemption is forbidden mid'Oraisa, but weighing the meat is only mid'Rabanan! (Rashi; Tosfos - both are forbidden mid'Oraisa. Shitah Mekubetzes - the Torah explicitly forbids redemption. Weighing is forbidden mid'Oraisa only due to Svara (reasoning). Perhaps the Svara that Hekdesh should receive more money is stronger!)

אלא א"ר אמי כלום הקנה זה אלא מה שקנו לו:
(k)

Answer #2 (R. Ami): The Kohen who received the Bechor did not receive full ownership. He did not have the right to sell it by weight. He cannot give to Hekdesh more ownership than he had!

3)

WHICH KODSHIM CAN BECOME MIXED?

הכל יכולין להתערב כו':
(a)

(Mishnah): It is possible for any two kinds of Zevachim to become mixed together, except for Chatas and Asham.

מ"ש חטאת ואשם דהאי זכר והאי נקבה חטאת ועולה נמי
(b)

Question: They cannot become mixed, because Asham is always a male, and Chatas is always a female. Also Olah is always a male, also it cannot become mixed with Chatas!

איכא שעיר נשיא
(c)

Answer: The Chatas of a Nasi is a male goat. It can become mixed with Olah;

האי שיער והאי צמר
1.

A Nasi's goat is distinguishable from an Asham, which is always a sheep, which has wool.

פסח ואשם נמי לא מיערב האי בן שנה והאי בן שתי שנים
(d)

Question: Korban Pesach must be a yearling (goat or sheep). It cannot become mixed with Asham, a second year animal!

איכא אשם נזיר ואשם מצורע
(e)

Answer #1: Asham Nazir and Asham Metzora are Kesherim in the first year.

ואיבעית אימא איכא בן שנה דמיחזי כבן שתי שנים ואיכא בן שתים דמיחזי כבן שנה:
(f)

Answer #2: Sometimes an animal in (i.e. towards the end of) its first year cannot be distinguished from an animal in (the beginning of) its second year.

4)

CAUSING KODSHIM TO BE WASTED

(משנה) אשם שנתערב בשלמים רבי שמעון אומר שניהם ישחטו בצפון ויאכלו כחמור שבהן
(a)

(Mishnah - R. Shimon): If an Asham became mixed with a Shelamim, both are slaughtered in the north, and both are eaten with all the stringencies (of Asham, i.e. it is eaten for only one day, only by male Kohanim in the Azarah);

אמרו לו אין מביאין קדשים לבית הפסול
(b)

Chachamim say, we do not cause Kodshim to be (possibly) wasted. (If we limit the time (Rashi - or place) or people permitted to eat it (more stringently than the Torah did), perhaps it will not be eaten in time, and some will become Nosar! Rather, we wait for the animals to become blemished, redeem them, and use the money to buy another Asham and Shelamim. The Shelamim may be eaten for two days, by all Yisraelim, anywhere in Yerushalayim.)

נתערבו חתיכות בחתיכות קדשי קדשים בקדשים קלים הנאכלין ליום אחד בנאכלין לשני ימים ולילה יאכלו כחמור שבהן:
(c)

If pieces of Kodshei Kodoshim became mixed with pieces of Kodshim Kalim, or if Kodshim (even Kalim) that may be eaten only one day became mixed with Kodshim permitted for two days and the night in between, they are eaten like the most stringent Kodshim of the mixture.

תני תנא קמיה דרב שביעית אין לוקחין בדמיה תרומה מפני שממעטין באכילתה
(d)

(Gemara - a reciter of Beraisos): One may not buy Terumah with Demei (money paid for produce of) Shemitah, for this limits the time to eat it. (E.g. if one sold Shemitah apples and bought wheat with the money, (also) the wheat gets Kedushas Shemitah. When apples are no longer available to Chayos in the field, one may keep three meals worth of (apples and) wheat in his house. He must do Bi'ur with the rest, i.e. eradicate it (from the world, or from his possession).)

אמרוה רבנן קמיה דרבא הא דלא כר"ש דאי כר"ש האמר מביאין קדשים לבית הפסול
(e)

Suggestion (Rabanan): This is unlike R. Shimon, who permits causing Kodshim (or Terumah) to become Pesulim (forbidden to eat)!

אמר להו אפילו תימרו ר"ש הני מילי דאיעבד לכתחילה לא
(f)

Rejection (Rava): No, even R. Shimon could agree to this. He permits only b'Di'eved (if Kodshim already became mixed; Shitah Mekubetzes' text explicitly says this), but not to cause this l'Chatchilah.