Our Mishnah forbids donating one, two or five Lugin of wine. Why is that?
Why, on the other hand, does the Tana permit a donation of ...
... three, four or six Lugin? What is the significance of these Shi'urim?
... more that six Lugin?
We ask whether 'Yesh K'va li'Nesachim' or not. What are the ramifications of the She'eilah?
What happens to the five Lugin that someone designated, assuming that we hold 'Yesh K'va li'Nesachim'?
Our Mishnah forbids donating one, two or five Lugin of wine - because it does not tally with any official Minchas Nesachim.
On the other hand, the Tana permits a donation of ...
... three, four or six Lugin - because three Lugin is required for the Minchas Nesachim of a lamb, four, of a ram, and six, of a bull.
... more that six Lugin - because it will always be possible to divide it into two or three sets of Nesachim (e.g. seven Lugin can be divided into three for a lamb and four for a ram).
We ask whether 'Yesh K'va li'Nesachim' - meaning that whatever a person undertakes to give, he must give in one go, or whether he brings four out of the five Lugin (say) that he donated, and the remaining Log is bought as a Nedavah ('Ein K'va li'Nesachim'), as we shall see.
Assuming that we hold 'Yesh K'va li'Nesachim', if someone designates five Lugin of wine - he must add one Log and bring it as the Minchas Nesachim of a bull.
Abaye tries to resolve the She'eilah from the Beraisa 'Shishah li'Nedavah'. The first four boxes were marked 'Mosar Chatas', 'Mosar Ashamos', Mosar Asham Nazir' and 'Mosar Asham Metzora'. What constituted 'Mosar Chatas'?
Which two Ashamos does 'Ashamos' incorporate?
Why was an independent box needed for ...
... Asham Nazir (see Gilyon ha'Shas)?
... Asham Metzora?
One of the remaining two boxes was marked 'Mosar Kinin'. What was the second one marked as?
What happened to the money from all of these boxes?
Abaye tries to resolve the She'eilah from the Beraisa 'Shishah li'Nedavah'. The first four boxes were marked 'Mosar Chatas' - leftovers from money that was designated for a Chatas (i.e. if, after designating money for one's Chatas, the price of lambs went down), 'Mosar Ashamos', 'Mosar Asham Nazir' and 'Mosar Asham Metzora'.
'Ashamos' incorporates - Asham Gezeilos and Asham Me'ilos.
An independent box was needed for ...
... Mosar Asham Nazir - because whereas the aforementioned Ashamos came to atone, the latter came to render the hitherto Tamei Nazir ready to begin his Nezirus de'Taharah (as the Gilyon ha'Shas explains).
... Mosar Asham Metzora - because it too, was different than the first two Ashamos, in that it came to permit the Metzora to return to the camp.
One of the remaining two boxes was marked 'Mosar Kinin'. The second one was marked - 'Mosar Minchas Chotei'.
The money from all of these boxes was used - to purchase Olos for Nidvas Tzibur (as will be explained in the last Perek).
How does Abaye try to resolve our She'eilah from this Beraisa?
And how do we refute his proof? Why was a box not necessary for the Mosar Nesachim?
Rava resolves the She'eilah from a Beraisa. The Tana learns from "Ezrach" (in the Pasuk in Korach, in connection with the Nesachim "Kol ha'Ezrach Ya'aseh Kachah") that one may donate Nesachim. What is the minimum quantity of wine that can be donated?
Abaye tries to prove from the Beraisa - that 'Yesh K'va li'Nesachim'. Otherwise, he claims, the Tana ought to have added a seventh box for the Mosar Nesachim.
We refute this proof however - by pointing out that a box was not necessary for the Mosar Nesachim, since, because they were common, one could always find somebody who needed an extra Log of wine or two for his Nesech.
Rava resolves the She'eilah from a Beraisa. The Tana learns from "Ezrach" (in the Pasuk in Korach, in connection with the Nesachim "Kol ha'Ezrach Ya'aseh Kachah") that one is permitted to donate Nesachim. The minimum quantity of wine that can be donated is - three Lugin.
What does the Tana learn from ...
... "Yih'yeh" (in the Pasuk there "ve'Niskeihem Chatzi ha'Hin Yih'yeh ha'Par ... ")?
... "Kachah" (in the first Pasuk)?
What does Rava prove from the Tana's Limud from "Yih'yeh" ('Yosif')?
Rav Ashi queries Rava however, from our Mishnah 'Ein Misnadvin Log, Shenayim va'Chamihah'. Based on 'Shenayim', how does Rav Ashi try to disprove Rava?
On what grounds do we reject Rav Ashi's Kashya?
The Beraisa learns from ...
... "Yih'yeh" (in the Pasuk there "ve'Niskeihem Chatzi ha'Hin Yih'yeh ha'Par ... ") - that it is permitted to donate more than three Lugin of wine.
... "Kachah" (in the first Pasuk) - that one can not donate less.
From the Tana's Limud from "Yih'yeh" ('Yosif') Rava proves - that 'Ein K'va li'Nesachim', because once we know that one may donate three Lugin, it is obvious that one may also donate four or six Lugin (which is as much an official Minchas Nesachim as three), so the Pasuk must be coming to teach us that one may donate even five Lugin.
Rav Ashi queries Rava however, from our Mishnah 'Ein Misnadvin Log, Shenayim va'Chamishah'. Rav Ashi tries to disprove Rava from here - because he assumes that just as two Lugin is not fit at all ('Yesh K'va li'Nesachim'), neither, is 'five'.
We reject Rav Ashi's Kashya however - on the grounds that 'Ha ke'de'Iysa, ve'Ha ke'de'Iysa' (meaning that whereas 'two' is not fit at all, 'five' should not be brought Lechatchilah, but Bedi'eved, one brings four as a Minchas Nesachim for a ram, and the remainder is Mosar (because we hold 'Ein K'va li'Nesachim').
What does Abaye mean when he says 'Im Timtzi Lomar Yesh K'va li'Nesachim, ad Asarah P'shita li'?
What indeed, are they used for?
He is not certain however, what the Din will be in a case where someone bring eleven Lugin. What are the two sides to the She'eilah?
Why is not obvious that the owner intended to bring two bulls, since they are of the same kind of animal, rather than a lamb and two rams, which are different kinds of animals?
What is the outcome of the She'eilah?
When Abaye says 'Im Timtzi Lomar Yesh K'va li'Nesachim, ad Asarah P'shita Li', he means - that up to ten Lugin, it is obvious what they are used for ...
... three for a lamb; four for a ram; five, to add a sixth Log and use it for a bull; six for a bull; seven for a lamb and a ram; eight for two rams; nine for a lamb and a bull, and ten for a ram and a bull.
He is not certain however, what the Din will be in a case where someone bring eleven Lugin - whether to add a Log and use it for two bulls, or to use it for a lamb and two rams.
It is not obvious at all that the owner intended to bring two bulls, which are of the same kind of animal - because, on the other hand, for two bulls, it will still require another Log, whereas it is ready to be brought for a lamb and two rams without any addition.
The outcome of the She'eilah is - 'Teiku'.
According to Rebbi Akiva in our Mishnah, one can donate wine (but not oil). What does one do with it?
Rebbi Tarfon holds that one can donate oil too. What do the Kohanim do with it?
From where does Rebbi Tarfon learn it?
How does Rebbi Akiva counter that?
According to Rebbi Akiva in our Mishnah, one can donate wine (but not oil) - which one pours into the bowl by the south-western Keren, from where it flows down to the Shitin.
Rebbi Tarfon holds that one can donate oil too - from which the Kohen takes a Kemitzah which he burns on the Mizbe'ach. The Shirayim is distributed among the Kohanim.
Rebbi Tarfon learns it from wine. If wine can be brought as a Chovah and as a Nedavah, he argues - then so can oil.
Rebbi Akiva counters - that one cannot compare the oil, which, when it comes as a Chovah, is brought together with the Minchah, to the wine, which is brought separately.
What distinction does our Mishnah draw between partners donating one Isaron of flour on the one hand and an Olah, a Shelamim or a bird, on the other?
Our Mishnah - forbids partners to donate one Isaron of flour on the one hand, but - permit them to donate an Olah, a Shelamim or a bird-offering, on the other.
What does Rava say about donating a Minchas Nesachim on its own every day according to Rebbi Akiva and Rebbi Tarfon?
How does he learn this from the Machlokes between Rebbi Akiva and Rebbi Tarfon in our Mishnah?
Why might we have thought otherwise?
What does Rava therefore come to teach us?
Rava extrapolates from our Mishnah - that in the opinion of both Rebbi Akiva and Rebbi Tarfon, one may donate a Minchas Nesachim on its own every day.
He learns this - from the fact that they only discuss wine and oil on their own. Clearly, they agree that there is no problem with bringing a full Minchas Nesachim independently.
We might have thought otherwise - because the Torah lists five kinds of Minchas Nedavah, ostensibly to preclude other Menachos from being brought as Nedavos.
Rava therefore comes to teach us - that this is indeed the case with regard to S'tam, but not where one specifically donates a Minchas Nesachim.
What are the five Menachos that are incorporated in Minchah S'tam?
Why is 'Revuchah' not counted as a sixth?
The five Menachos that are incorporated in Minchah S'tam are - So'les, Machavas, Marcheshes, and Chalos and Rekikin (of a Minchas Ma'afeh Tanur).
'Revuchah' is not counted as a sixth Minchah - because it cannot be brought as a Nedavah, only as part of the Korban Todah.
What do we try to prove from the Pasuk ...
... in Vayikra "Takriv Minchah"?
... in Pinchas "le'Oloseichem"?
We counter the second proof from the Pasuk there "Yakriv Korbano", and the first proof, from the Pasuk "le'Minchoseichem". So what do we finally learn from the word "Nefesh" (in Vayikra)? In which connection is it written?
What does Rebbi in a Beraisa learn from ...
... " ... asher Yakrivu la'Hashem (in connection with animal Korbanos)"?
... "Nefesh" (in connection with a Minchah)?
What does Rebbi Yitzchak learn from the fact ...
... that the Torah writes Nefesh by a Minchah?
... that the Torah prescribes five different kinds of Minchah ('Chamishah Miynei Tigun')?
We try to prove from the Pasuk ...
... in Vayikra "Takriv Minchah" (singular) - that partners cannot bring a Minchah.
... in Pinchas "le'Oloseichem" (plural) - that they can bring an Olah.
We counter the second proof from the Pasuk in Vayikra "Yakriv Korbano" (singular), and the first proof from the Pasuk there "le'Minchoseichem" (plural). So we finally learn from the word "Nefesh" (in the Pasuk in Vayikra "Nefesh ki Sakriv Minchah") - that partners cannot bring a Minchah.
Rebbi in a Beraisa learns from ...
... " ... asher Yakrivu la'Hashem - that partners can bring animal Korbanos, and from ...
... "Nefesh" that they cannot bring a Minchah.
Rebbi Yitzchak learns from the fact ...
... that the Torah writes 'Nefesh' by a Minchah - that, seeing as it is usually a poor man who brings a Korban Minchah, when he does, Hash-m reckons as if he had given Him his soul.
... that the Torah prescribes five different kinds of Minchah ('Chamishah Miynei Tigun') - how much Hash-m appreciates the poor man's donation, like a king who instructs his friend (whom he knows to be a poor man) who is preparing a Se'udah for him, to prepare him five different kinds of fried dishes, to increase his pleasure.
Our Mishnah says that if someone undertakes to donate an Isaron, brings one Isaron. What does the Tana say in a case where he ...
... specifies 'Esronos'?
... claims that he specified how many Esronos he would bring, but forgot what he said?
Bearing in mind that he may not have said sixty Esronos, what does he do about the extra ones?
According to the Tana Kama, someone who declares that he will bring a Minchah, may bring any of the five Menachos that we listed above. What does Rebbi Yehudah say?
What must a person bring if he ...
... declares that he will bring a Minchah or a Miyn Minchah?
... declares that he will bring 'Menachos' or 'Miyn Menachos'?
... claims that he specified which Minchah or Miyn Minchah he would bring, but cannot remember what he said?
Our Mishnah says that if someone undertakes to donate an Isaron, brings one Isaron. In a case where he ...
... specifies 'Esronos' - he brings two.
... claims that he specified how many Esronos he would bring, but forgot what he said - he brings sixty Esronos.
Since he may well not have said sixty Esronos - he stipulates that whatever he specified originally, constitutes his Chovah, and the rest, a Nedavah.
According to the Tana Kama, someone who declares that he will bring a Minchah, may bring any of the five Menachos that we listed above. Rebbi Yehudah maintains - that he must bring a Minchas So'les, because it is the pick of the Menachos.
A person who ...
... declares that he will bring a Minchah or a Miyn Minchah - must bring any one of the five kinds of Minchah.
... declares that he will bring 'Menachos' or 'Miynei Menachos' - must bring any two of the five kinds of Menachos.
... claims that he specified which Minchah or Miyn Minchah he would bring, but cannot remember what he said - must bring all five kinds.
Finally, what does the Tana Kama rule in a case where someone claims that he specified a Minchah of Esronim, but cannot remember what he said?
According to Rebbi, he must bring all the Esronim from one to sixty (i.e. one consisting of one Isaron, one of two, one of three ... ). What is Rebbi's reason?
And finally, the Tana Kama rules that someone who claims that he specified a Minchah of Esronim, but cannot remember what he said - must bring sixty Esronim.
According to Rebbi, he must bring all the Esronin from one to sixty (i.e. one consisting of one Isaron, one of two, one of three ... ) - because, based on the fact that he goes after the fixing of the K'li and having said 'Minchah', he must bring whatever he undertook, in one K'li, no less and no more. This obligates him to bring every possibility in a different K'li.
What do we ask on the Mishnah's first two rulings 'Yavi Echad', 'Yavi Shetayim'?
Then why does the Tana see fit to insert them?
On what grounds does Chizkiyah establish the Mishnah 'Pirashti ve'Eino Yode'a Mah Pirashti, Yavi Shishim Isaron', not like Rebbi?
What does Rebbi Yochanan gain by establishing the Mishnah when the Noder said 'Pirashti Esronos, Aval Lo Kava'tim bi'Cheli'? How does this ruling differ from Rebbi's ruling?
We ask on the Mishnah's first two rulings 'Yavi Echad', 'Yavi Shetayim' - that it is obvious that 'Isaron' means one, and 'Esronos' (by virtue of the principle 'Miy'ut Rabim, Shenayim' [the minimum of plural means two]), two.
The Tana nevertheless sees fit to insert them - because they serve as an introduction to the third ruling 'Pirashti, ve'Eino Yode'a Mah Pirashti, Yavi Shishim Isaron' ...
... which Chizkiyah establishes not like Rebbi - because, according to Rebbi, he ought to bring sixty Menachos from one Isaron to sixty in sixty different Keilim, like he ules in the Seifa of the Mishnah.
By establishing the Mishnah when the Noder said 'Pirashti Esronos, Aval Lo Kava'tim bi'Cheli' - Rebbi Yochanan is able to establish the Mishnah like Rebbi (because his ruling in the Seifa is based on the fact that the Noder did fix the Minchah in a K'li [as we explained in the Mishnah]).