Of the Shishoh Sidrei Mishna Seder Moed seems to cause the most controversy. In the sense that Seder as in order seems to be a bit difficult with Moed. The Pirush Mishnayos LeRambam gives us a clear Seder as per his Hakdomoh to every Masechtoh so obviously that has a mekoir to be someych on. The only shyloh now remains with both Talmud Bavli and Yerushalmi. Now Bavli seems to have an official Seder which probably was established by the Daf Yomi Cycle just over 100 years ago as some versions have masechtos printed not in the order of Daf Yomi together with the insertion of the Yerushalmi of Shekloim so that now seems to be universally accepted. The only problem I find is Yerushalmi.To take a very concrete example look at the last 2 Masechtos .It is accepted now that Chaggiah is the last Bavli Masechtoh with Moed Koton coming BEFORE. With the Yerushalmi it seems there is a Venehapech between those 2 as well as many other Masechtos not going in either the order of the Bavli or the Rambam's order in his Pirush Mishbnayos. Could you possibly give some Hesber/Hadrochoh in the Bavli and Yerushalim's order of Masechtos as well as explaining why they deviate from the Rambam's order in his Pirush Mishnayos
Shkoyach Boruch Kahan
Boruch Kahan, LONDON
I will start, bs'd, with the question of whether Moed Katan comes before Chagigah or vice versa.
1) Tosfos in Moed Katan (28b, DH Bala) writes that Moed Katan is the end of Seder Moed. Rabeinu Yakov of Orleans explained that this is why Seder Nashim starts with Yevamos; even though Bava Basra 108a gives us a rule that we should not start with a tragic scenario (Yevamos starts with a tragedy when a man died without children), because Bava Basra 14b tells us that we put tragedy next to tragedy. Since Moed Katan concludes with the tragedies of Hilchos Aveilus, it follows that it is put next to the tragedies in Maseches Yevamos.
The Maharsha, on this Tosfos in Moed Katan, writes that according to the Rambam, Maseches Chagigah is the end of Seder Moed.
So, according to Tosfos, Moed Katan comes after Chagigah, while according to the Rambam, Chagigah comes after Moed Katan.
2) Before I go further, I will cite other Rishonim who say that Moed Katan is the last Masechta in Seder Moed. These are the Nimukei Yosef and Rashi on the Rif (in the last Mishnah of Moed Katan, page 17b of the pages of the Rif). Tosfos Yeshanim (Yevamos 2a, DH Chamesh) also says that Moed Katan is the last in Moed, and the Tosfos Yom Tov at the beginning of Yevamos writes that the Rosh might agree with this.
Who agrees with the Rambam that Chagigah is the end of Moed? The Me'iri, in his Pesichah to Beis ha'Bechirah at the beginning of Berachos, writes at great length about the order of the Masechtos in the different Sedarim. On page 33 he writes that the order given by Rebbi Yehudah ha'Nasi is: (1) Shabbos (2) Eruvin (3) Pesachim (4) Shekalim (5) Yoma (6) Sukah (7) Beitzah (8) Rosh Hashanah (9) Ta'anis (10) Megilah (11) Moed Katan (12) Chagigah.
This is the same order that we have in our Mishnayos.
The Tosfos Yom Tov, at the beginning of Maseches Chagigah, writes that the reason why Chagigah comes last according to the Rambam is because it does not apply to everyone, since it is only males who have the Mitzvah of Re'iyah.
Dovid Bloom
so according to you who is the Yerushalmi following and why
Boruch
The Yerushalmi is clearly following Tosfos.
I want to make a mere conjecture why it is like that.
The Talmud Yerushalmi obviously has a closer connection, in time and place, to the Beis ha'Mikdash than the Talmud Bavli has. Since Chagigah is about the Korbanos they brought in Yerushalayim in the Beis ha'Mikdash and the Mitzvah of being seen in the Azarah on Yom Tov, the Yerushalmi put this earlier in Seder Moed.
There is a very logical reason why, in the times of the Beis ha'Mikdash, Chagigah should come before Moed Katan. The chief Mitzvah of Korban Chagigah is on the first day of Yom Tov, while Chol ha'Moed, which is the chief topic in Moed Katan, starts on the second day.
Kol Tuv,
Dovid Bloom
yes I see now why the Yerushalmi did that
Thanks
Boruch
There is a very interesting Tosfos in Chagigah 17a. There, the Gemara brings a Mishnah with a dispute (among other things) between Beis Shamai and Beis Hillel about whether one does Semichah on Shelamim. Tosfos (17a, DH Beis) points out that this Mishnah already appears in Beitzah 19a. He writes that the main place of the Mishnah is in Beitzah and it is only cited incidentally in Chagigah, which is Mashma from the fact that the Gemara in Beitzah explains it more at length.
Tosfos concludes that one can prove from here that Beitzah comes before Chagigah in the Mishnayos.
The interesting thing is that without this proof, Tosfos had a Havah Amina that Chagigah came before Beitzah. We see from here the importance of Maseches Chagigah in the eyes of Tosfos. This fits in quite well with Tosfos in Moed Katan (28b, DH Bala) that Chagigah at least does not come at the very end of Seder Moed, unlike the Rambam.
I argue that Tosfos holds that Chagigah is so important because it talks about the Korbanos of the Chag.
Reb Boruch, Yasher Koach Gadol!
Dovid Bloom