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 DAF DISCUSSIONS - BERACHOS 33
1. Bernard Kahan asks:

Hello Reb Dovid I do like to keep you and the Bnei Kolel on their toes with real interesting "Shas Yiden" questions so here is 1 for you and feel free to share with your chaverimEmoji

Hope you dont mind but as the Gemoro in Brochos Daf 33b tells us and brought a few times in Shas with an interaction between Rabba and Abaye which I am sure you are familiar with "VERABBAH NAMI LECHADUDEI ABAYE HU DE'BOI" I thought I just had to ask you this KashaEmoji

Find 2 examples with 2 different Rishoinim in Shas how they explain an understanding/meaning of a particular word and clearly show no Hakpodoh whether the word in question is either written with a Kaf (20) or a Kuf (100).So I dont mean for example like where the Gemoro in Kiddushin tells us Hinoki in Parshas Noso to do with a Sotah WRITTEN WITH A HEY is read Keilu it Is WRITTEN WITH A CHES and pronounced Chinki and interchange the Ches and Hey ,its more than that, the 2 different Rishoinim in 2 different places actually as it were interchange words with a Kaf or a Kuf AND IN FACT ARE NOT EVEN MEORER in their Pirush that the 2 words are written differently one with a Kuf and 1 with a Kaf to prove what that particular word means

If you think about it ,1 should probably be familiar to most Shas Yiden in your Kolel who are reasonably "heimish" in the 5-10 or so common "Yeshiva Shas Masechtos". The real Shyloh is whether they will get the second. I actually hope the toeiles of this is that you/they might end up with many more examples as I only have 2 so farEmoji

Hatzlocho VeKol Tuv

Boruch Kahan

2. The Kollel replies:

1) I think the familiar one might be in the "yeshivishe" Bava Kama 52a where Rashi (DH Karkashta) writes that the correct text is Karkashta with a Kuf but the Rif (22b in Rif pages) writes that it is with a Kaf.

2) I found a practical Halachah that emerges from this. The Chida, in Teshuvas Chayim Sha'al (1:37, DH v'Al Devar Shem), discusses how to write the name "Judika" in a Get. The question is should one write the "k" with a Kuf or a Kaf? He writes (in DH u'Mai d'Nekiti) that it would seem that it does not make a difference. He writes that we who live in Eretz Yisrael, even though we have a clear tongue, often do not distinguish between a Kuf or a Kaf. Therefore, whichever way one writes the Get is Kosher.

We now have support for the Chida from the aforementioned Gemara in Bava Kama 52a.

3) The second example, not from a "yeshivish" Masechta, might be from Menachos 71b, "ants nibbled away ("Kirsemuha") at the crops." The origin of the word "Kirsemuha" is from Tehilim 80:14: "Yecharsemenah Chazir mi'Ya'ar" -- "the boar out of the wood ravages it," but there "Yecharsemenah" is written with a Kaf. The Mishnah in Peah 2:7 also states "Kirsemuha Nemalim" -- "the ants nibbled at it." There it is with a Kuf, but the Rambam, in Perush ha'Mishnayos in Peah, writes that "Kirsmeuha" with a Kuf is like "Kirsemuha" with a Kaf, so one learns that the Rambam holds that here a Kuf is like a Kaf.

Kol Tuv,

Dovid Bloom