More Discussions for this daf
1. Good eyesight and saving the witnesses 2. Ein Onshin Min ha'Din 3. R. Yehuda Ben Tabbai and R. Shimon Ben Shetach
4. Witnesses Plotting 5. Who Do the Eidim Zomemim Pay 6. Makos 005: Hargu Ein Neheragin
7. Tana Beribi 8. Who Do the Eidim Zomemim Pay 9. Ka'asher Zamam by Malkos
10. Who Do the Eidim Zomemim Pay 11. v'Hitzilu ha'Eidah 12. Meshalshin b'Makos
13. After Gmar Din but before He is Put to Death 14. Shem Eidim Zomemim 15. Part of a Group Found To Be Eidim Zomemim
16. Edim Zomemim in Dinei Mamonos 17. Vayikra 20:17 18. Miracles and Halachah
19. Punishing Edim Zomemim 20. The Gemara answers by saying it's a good question 21. Edim Zomemim dividing their punishment
22. Edim Zomemim 23. Rashi and Tosfos 24. Judges
25. משלשין בממון 26. חייבי מלקות מנלן דאין עונשין מן הדין
 DAF DISCUSSIONS - MAKOS 5
1. Josh asked:

We can say to the adim zomemin "you were with us" but can we say "you were not there?"

Josh, Marlboro, NJ

2. The Kollel replies:

I'm not sure what your question is. If the second witnesses do not say that the first witnesses were with them and thus could not have been at the scene of the incident, then they do not qualify as Edim Zomemim. The Torah's Chidush of the law of Edim Zomemim is that the second pair of witnesses are believed only when they say that "at the time that you say that you were in a certain place, you were in a different place with us." Any other contradicion of the first Edim does not constitute Zomemim. (The Gemara (5a) discusses why we are not concerned that perhaps the first witnesses went from one place to another on a high-speed camel.)

D. Zupnik