1)

(a)Rebbi Yirmiyah just reconciled the two Beraisos (be'Sha'as Siluk Ma'sa'os Kodshim Nifsalin, and bi'Shenei Mekomos Kodshim Nifsalin), by establishing the former by Kodshei Kodshim, and the latter by Kodshim Kalim (a Kashya on Abaye, according to whom Kodshim Kalim are Pasul). Ravina refutes Rebbi Yirmiyah's proof however, establishing both Beraisos by Kodshim Kalim. How will we then reconcile them?

1)

(a)Rebbi Yirmiyah just reconciled the two Beraisos ('be'Sha'as Siluk Ma'sa'os Kodshim Nifsalin', and 'bi'Shenei Mekomos Kodshim Ne'echalin'), by establishing the former by Kodshei Kodshim, and the latter, by Kodshim Kalim (a Kashya on Abaye, according to whom Kodshim Kalim are Pasul). Ravina refutes Rebbi Yirmiyah's proof however, by establishing both Beraisos by Kodshim Kalim - only the first Beraisa holds like Rebbi Yishmael (like Abaye), and the second one, like the Rabbanan.

2)

(a)Alternatively, both Beraisos could even speak by Kodshei Kodshim. How will we then interpret Sh'nei Mekomos, to reconcile it with the other Beraisa?

(b)What is wrong with our text, which reads Kodem she'Ya'amidu ha'Levi'im es ha'Mishkan?

(c)How might we answer that?

(d)And how will we reconcile this with the Sugya in 'Eizehu Mekoman' which invalidates a Shelamim that is Shechted before the Kohanim have opened the doors of the Azarah (because Shelamim need 'Pesach Ohel Mo'ed')?

2)

(a)Alternatively, both Beraisos could even speak by Kodshei Kodshim, and Sh'nei Mekomos means when the Mishkan is still standing and when they have dismantled it (see Tosfos, Amud Beis DH 'u'le'Achar' and Shitah Mekubetzes), but the Mizbe'ach is still standing in its place; whereas the first Beraisa speaks where the Mizbe'ach has been covered too, and they are already carrying it.

(b)The problem with our text, which reads Kodem she'Ya'amidu ha'Levi'im es ha'Mishkan is that - bearing in mind that, whenever they camped, Gershon and Merari would put up the Mishkan, before K'has arrived with the Keilim, it is not feasible for the Mizbe'ach to have been standing before the Mishkan was set up.

(c)We might answer that however - by establishing the case where K'has erroneously put up the Mizbe'ach before Gershon and Merari erected the Mishkan.

(d)To reconcile this with the Sugya in 'Eizehu Mekoman', which invalidates a Shelamim that is Shechted before the Kohanim have opened the doors of the Azarah (because Shelamim require Pesach Ohel Mo'ed) - we will establish that Sugya specifically by Shelamim (which is Kodshim Kalim), whereas our Sugya is talking about Kodshei Kodshim.

3)

(a)On what grounds might we have thought that the Korban is Pasul once the Mishkan has been dismantled?

(b)What do we learn from the Pasuk in Bamidbar "Ve'nasa Ohel Mo'ed"?

3)

(a)We might have thought that once the Mishkan has been dismantled, the Korban becomes Pasul - because of Yotzei (leaving its boundaries).

(b)We learn from the Pasuk in Bamidbar "Ve'nasa Ohel Mo'ed" however that - even whilst the Mishkan is traveling it is still called Ohel Mo'ed, in which case, the Korban has not left its boundaries.

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4)

(a)What does Rav Chisda (or Rav Huna) Amar Rav learn from the three times in the Torah (once in Yisro and twice in Ki Savo) that the Mizbe'ach is described as "Mizbach Avanim"?

(b)What does the Beraisa say about the fire that descended from Heaven in the days of ...

1. ... Moshe? When did it depart?

2. ... Shlomoh? Who removed it?

(c)What Kashya does this pose on Rav?

(d)Initially, we answer that Rav holds like Rebbi Nasan. What does Rebbi Nasan in a Beraisa say about the composition of the Mizbe'ach in Shiloh?

4)

(a)Rav Chisda (or Rav Huna) Amar Rav learns from the three times in the Torah (once in Yisro and twice in Ki Savo) that the Mizbe'ach is described as "Mizbach Avanim" that - the Mizbe'ach in Mishkan Shiloh, by the Bamah in Nov and Giv'on and in the Beis-Hamikdash were all made of stone.

(b)The Beraisa states that the fire that descended from Heaven in the days of ...

1. ... Moshe - only departed when Shlomoh built the Beis-Hamikdash, and the fire that descended from Heaven in the days of ...

2. ... Shlomoh - only departed (Lo Nistalkah Ela) when King Menasheh removed it.

(c)This poses on Rav, according to whom - it should also have departed, from the time that they built the stone Mizbe'ach in Shiloh.

(d)Initially, we answer that Rav holds like Rebbi Nasan, who says in a Beraisa that - the Mizbe'ach in Shiloh was made of copper, but filled in with stones (see Shitah Mekubetzes).

5)

(a)According to Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak, 'Lo Nistalkah' means 'Lo Nistalkah le'Vatalah', which the Rabbanan explain as 'Shevivin Havah Meshadra'. What does this mean?

(b)How does Rav Papa explain it?

5)

(a)According to Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak, Lo Nistalkah means Lo Nistalkah le'Vatalah, which the Rabbanan explain as 'Shevivin Havah Meshadra' - whenever they brought Korbanos on the stone Mizbe'ach, flames would emerge from the copper Mizbe'ach (which stood in Shiloh too) and consume them.

(b)According to Rav Papa, it means that - sometimes the fire would descend directly on to the stone Mizbe'ach, and sometimes it would come from the copper Mizbe'ach.

6)

(a)In a Mishnah in Midos, Rebbi Yossi describes how they added on to the Mizbe'ach ha'Olah. When did they do that?

(b)Where did they add the extension?

(c)If the Mizbe'ach in the first Beis-Hamikdash was twenty-eight by twenty-eight Amos, and the Makom ha'Ma'arachah, twenty by twenty, what were then the corresponding measurements in the second Beis-Hamikdash?

6)

(a)In a Mishnah in Midos, Rebbi Yossi describes how they added on to the Mizbe'ach ha'Olah - when they built the second Beis-Hamikdosh upon their return from Galus Bavel.

(b)They added - four Amos on to the south side and four Amos on to the west.

(c)The Mizbe'ach in the first Beis-Hamikdash was twenty-eight by twenty-eight Amos, and the Makom ha'Ma'arachah, twenty by twenty, the corresponding measurements in the second Beis-Hamikdash were - thirty-two by thirty-two Amos and twenty-four by twenty-four.

7)

(a)What reason does Rav Yosef give for this extension?

(b)On what grounds does Abaye object to that?

(c)On what grounds did Rav Yosef overrule Abaye's objection?

(d)When Ravin arrived from Eretz Yisrael, he quoted Rebbi Shimon ben Pazi. What reason did he give for the extension to the Mizbe'ach?

7)

(a)The reason Rav Yosef gives for this extension is - because of the shortage of space on the Mizbe'ach.

(b)Abaye objects to that however - due to the vastly superior numbers in the era of the first Beis-Hamikdash ("like the sand by the sea-shore") as compared to the second ("forty-one thousand"). So if it was not too small before they went into Galus, why should it be too small after they returned?

(c)Rav Yosef overruled Abaye's objection however - based on the Chazal that in the second Beis-ha'Mikdash, there was no Heavenly fire to consume the Korbanos (so the Korbanos accumulated, and required more space).

(d)When Ravin arrived from Eretz Yisrael, he quoted Rebbi Shimon ben Pazi, according to whom the extension to the Mizbe'ach was - for Nesachim to flow down via holes bored in it (beside the bowl into which the wine was poured) to the pit that led down to the Shitin.

8)

(a)What happened to the Nesachim that were poured on to the Mizbe'ach during the first Beis-Hamikdash?

(b)What did Shlomoh ha'Melech Darshen from the Pasuk in Yisro "Mizbach Adamah Ta'aseh Li"?

(c)In the time of the second Beis-Hamikdash however, they Darshened Shesiyah ka'Achilah. How does this negate the previous D'rashah?

(d)How did the Anshei K'nesses ha'Gedolah then explain "Mizbach Adamah"?

8)

(a)The Nesachim that were poured on to the Mizbe'ach during the first Beis-Hamikdash - flowed directly from the roof of the Mizbe'ach into the deep pit at its base.

(b)From the Pasuk in Yisro "Mizbach Adamah Ta'aseh Li" Shlomoh ha'Melech Darshened that - the Mizbe'ach itself should be completely attached to the ground, without holes bored into the ground beneath it for the Nesachim to drain.

(c)In the time of the second Beis-Hamikdash however, the Anshei K'nesses ha'Gedolah Darshened Shesiyah ka'Achilah meaning that - just like the food (the Korbanos) was consumed by the Mizbe'ach, so too should the beverage be absorbed by it (negating the previous D'rashah).

(d)And the Anshei K'nesses ha'Gedolah explained "Mizbach Adamah" to mean that - it must be built directly joined to the ground, and not via archways or on top of tunnels, as we learned earlier.

9)

(a)How did Rav Yosef initially interpret the Pasuk in Ezra "Vayachinu ha'Mizbe'ach al Mechonosav", in support of Rebbi Shimon ben Pazi's D'rashah?

(b)But did Rav Yosef himself not just give a different reason to explain the extension to the Mizbe'ach?

(c)What problem do we have with Rav Yosef's proof? To whom did Hash-m reveal all the measurements of the Beis-Hamikdash?

9)

(a)Initially Rav Yosef interpreted the Pasuk in Ezra "Vayachinu ha'Mizbe'ach al Mechonosav" to mean that - the final measurements of the Mizbe'ach were revealed to the Anshei K'neses ha'Gedolah (but not to Shlomoh ha'Melech), in support of Rebbi Shimon ben Pazi's D'rashah.

(b)Rav Yosef himself did indeed just give a different reason to explain the extension to the Mizbe'ach - but that was when, due to his state of health, he was prone to forgetting many things that he had learned. His latter statement was made after his recovery, when he would recall what he had initially learned, and retract his errors.

(c)The problem with Rav Yosef's proof is that - Hash-m revealed all the measurements to David Hya'Melech (and Shmuel), as David is expressly quoted as saying in Divrei Hayamim "ha'Kol bi'Kesav mi'Yad Hash-m alai Hiskil", so how could any measurement have been hidden from Shlomoh and revealed to the Anshei K'nesses ha'Gedolah?

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