POINT BY POINT OUTLINE
Prepared by Rabbi P. Feldman
of Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Yerushalayim
NEDARIM 11 (23 Teves) - Dedicated by Mr. and Mrs. Sid Mosenkis (of Queens, N.Y.) in memory of Sid's father, Nachum ben Shlomo Dovid Mosenkis Z"L, on the day of his 68th Yahrzeit.
1) "MISHNAH": CASES OF "NEDARIM"
(a) (Gemara) Assumption: 'L'Chulin' means, it is not like
Chulin, rather, like a Korban. (We never retract from
(b) Question: Like whom is our Mishnah?
1. It is not like R. Meir. He holds that we do not
infer the positive from the negative!
(c) Answer: It is like R. Yehudah.
i. (Mishnah - R. Meir): Any Tnai (stipulation)
that is not (doubled) like the stipulation made
with Bnei Gad and Bnei Reuven (if they will
cross the Yarden to fight the Kena'ani nations,
they will receive Eretz Gil'ad; if not, not) is
(d) Question (Seifa - R. Yehudah): Saying 'Yerushalayim' does
not forbid at all.
1. This shows that the Reisha is not R. Yehudah!
(e) Answer: The entire Mishnah is R. Yehudah. The Seifa means
'(he is forbidden only if he says 'like Yerushalayim',)
because R. Yehudah says that one who says (only)
'Yerushalayim' does not forbid at all.
(f) Question: R. Yehudah permits even one who said like
1. (Beraisa - R. Yehudah) Forbidding something "like
Yerushalayim" has no effect, unless he forbids like
something offered in Yerushalayim.
(g) Answer: Indeed, the entire is like R. Yehudah. Tana'im
argue about the opinion of R. Yehudah.
(h) (Beraisa): If someone said "Chulin", "the Chulin," or
"like Chulin," whether he concluded "(is) that I will eat
of yours" or "that I will not eat of yours," he is
(i) If he said "l'Chulin (is) what I will eat of yours," he
(j) If he said "l'Chulin (is) what I will not eat of yours,"
he is permitted.
(k) Question: Who is the Tana of the Beraisa?
(l) Answer #1: It is R. Meir, who does not infer the positive
from the negative.
(m) Question: The Seifa is unlike R. Meir!
1. (Mishnah - R. Meir) If one says "l'Korban (is) what
I will not eat of yours," he is forbidden.
(n) Answer: The Tana of the Beraisa agrees with R. Meir about
one matter, and argues about another;
2. Question: (He means, Lo Korban is what I will not
eat of yours, but what I eat of yours is a Korban.)
R. Meir does not infer the positive from the
3. Answer (R. Aba): He means "what I eat from you is
like a Korban, therefore I will not eat from you."
4. Summation of question: (The middle clause shows that
'l'Chulin' can also mean 'not Chulin, rather,
Korban.') Also here, we should say that he means
"what I eat from you is not Chulin, therefore I will
not eat from you", and he is forbidden!
1. He agrees that we do not infer the positive from the
(o) Answer #2 (R. Ashi): (The entire Beraisa is R. Meir.)
When he says "l'Chulin", we explain this to mean 'Lo
Chulin, rather, a Korban'. In the Seifa he said
"l'Chulin", which means "it is Chulin."
2. He argue about "(l')Korban" (and "l'Chulin". He does
not explain these to mean "what I eat from you is
like ..., therefore...")
3) IN WHAT IS ONE "MATFIS"?
(a) Question (Rami bar Chama): If one said 'this is forbidden
to me like meat of a Shelamim after Zerikah (throwing the
blood on the Mizbe'ach)', what is the law?
1. Question: Basar Shelamim after Zerikah is permitted!
2. Answer: The case is, a Chulin piece was next to a
piece of Shelamim after Zerikah, and he said "this
is like this";
i. Is he Matfis (forbid one matter with the Isur
of another) in the initial Isur (before
Zerikah), or in its (current) Heter?
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