More Discussions for this daf
1. Tosfos "V'Ein Davar Achar Kortah" 2. Ein Kesef Superfluous? 3. b'Ne'ure'ha Beis Aviha
4. bi'Ne'ureha Beis Aviha 5. Rashi DH Mipnei she'Darko 6. Amah Ivriyah Ailonis
7. Father marrying off his daughter 8. Rashi DH d'Avahu 9. Excluding Chupah
10. d'Ika Plugta 11. Insights to the Daf - Chupah Koneh 12. Chalitzah of a Married Woman
13. "Al Kol Mayim" 14. Kinyan Chalipin 15. למעוטי חופה
16. דאיכא פלוגתא
DAF DISCUSSIONS - KIDUSHIN 3

Yerachmiel Garfield asked:

Thank you for this wonderful resource.

I am having trouble with the insights, question one- answer c. The quiestion of how kiddushi chupah could work if the man must do the act of kiddushin is marvelous! I don't understand how Rashi addresses this point. Even if it is against the will of the girl it is still not the man doing the act of kiddushin but rather HER Father! The same issue still exits! The new husband is not doing the act of kiddushin the father is!

As I reread you insight it seems that you are trying to say that this is the very issue between Rashi and Tosfes on daf 5? I have not learned daf 5 carefully yet but it does not seem clear that Rashi holds that Bal Carcha means that the husband is doing the act.

Yerachmiel Garfield, Atlanta GA USA

The Kollel replies:

The point of my answer was that although a man can carry his wife to the Chupah, that will not accomplish a Kinyan (since it does not show that she wants to enter a husband/wife relationship). However, when the father gives his daughter over as a wife and the husband carries her into a Chupah, it will show the needed relationship, since she is starting a relationship of "being given over to a husband" rather than of "choosing a husband." Therefore, we can find a case of Chupah in which the husband is the active partner only when a father is giving his daughter over to the Chupah.

As I wrote, "when the father gives over his daughter with intent to marry her off through Chupah and the husband carries her into his domain, such an act should be considered a valid act of Chupah. Such an act represents the normal manner in which a woman who is given over by her father enters the husband's domain. It is the manner for such a woman to be brought into the groom's domain without her consent."

Be well,

Mordecai Kornfeld