More Discussions for this daf
1. How soon is immediate? Why don't we believe the wife? 2. Danger of Not Keeping Nedarim to Children 3. Hair Cover For A Divorced Woman
4. Women Covering Hair 5. Question on the Quiz 6. One who buries will be buried
7. Difference between "betrothal invalid" and "she leaves without a Kesuvah" 8. Wearing Special Clothes While A Nidah 9. A Woman with Nedarim
10. Ba'alas Mum 11. Kidushin and Mekach Ta'us 12. Definition of Chatzer for Haircoverings
13. Bigdei Tziv'onim 14. כיסוי ראש לאישה קרחת 15. איטר יד באישה
DAF DISCUSSIONS - KESUVOS 72

Y Adlerstein asks:

I have long been troubled by the definition of chatzer in the sugya of kisui rosh.

Let's set the Chasam Sofer aside, and assume that a chatzer is a chatzer. Most of us assume that Rashi's pshat (according to the Ritva) is that women leave their hair uncovered in a chatzer because no one will see her.

Doesn't this contradict the entire yesod of the first perek of Bava Basra (as well as everything we remember from Eiruvin about multiple houses by definition being part of a chatzer) that it is impossible for a user of a chatzer to predict or preclude the visual intrusion of the members of the chatzer? Decades ago someone told me of an unnamed rosh yeshiva who in fact maintained on this basis that a woman whose hair is uncovered at home need NOT run to cover it if an outsider walks in, because the bayis cannot be more chamur than the chatzer!

Y Adlerstein, Los Angeles USA

The Kollel replies:

Does not the Din of ha'Zorek Get l'Ishto...b'Soch Chatzeirah suggest that Chatzer does not have to be understood in the classical multiple home formulation of Eruvin? How about ha'Dar b'Chatzer Shel Chaveiro? This also seems to suggest a private property.

Kol Tuv,

Yonason Sigler

This is not a Psak Halachah