OUTLINES OF HALACHOS FROM THE DAF
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1) DOES HEKDESH ACQUIRE THROUGH A CHATZER?
(a) Gemara
1. (Mishnah - R. Yehudah): If one was Makdish an empty
pit, wasteheap or dovecote, and it became full of
water, manure or doves, Me'ilah applies to it, but
not to what came later.
2. R. Yosi says, if one was Makdish a field or a tree,
Me'ilah applies to it and to what grows, for what
grows is Hekdesh.
3. Rebbi taught that R. Yosi agrees with R. Yehudah
about a pit and dovecote. R. Yosi argues only about
a field and tree.
4. (Beraisa): If one was Makdish them when they were
empty and then they became full, Me'ilah applies to
them, but not to what came later;
5. R. Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon says, Me'ilah applies also
to what came later.
6. (Rabah): They argue about a pit and dovecote. All
agree about a field and tree, that Me'ilah applies
to them and their contents.
7. The first Tana holds like Chachamim, that one cannot
be Makneh (transfer ownership, or be Makdish) Davar
she'Lo Ba l'Olam (something that is not yet in the
world). R. Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon holds like R. Meir,
that one can transfer ownership of it.
8. Question: R. Meir said so only regarding fruits of a
date tree, for they normally grow. An empty pit or
dovecote will not fill itself!
9. Answer (Rava): The case is, the pit is at the bottom
of an incline (water normally flows into it), and
the dovecote is near a thriving dovecote
(presumably, offspring from the full dovecote will
inhabit the empty one).
10. Zevachim 45a (Beraisa): One may not benefit from
Kodshim of Nochrim. One who benefited did not
transgress Me'ilah.
11. One may not benefit from them mid'Rabanan. We learn
that Me'ilah does not apply to them from a Gezerah
Shavah "Chet-Chet" from Terumah. Regarding Terumah
it says "Bnei Yisrael."
(b) Rishonim
1. Rambam (Hilchos Me'ilah 5:6): Me'ilah applies to
things that grow from Hekdesh. If one was Makdish a
field and it grew herbage, or a tree and it produced
Peros, Me'ilah applies to them. However, if one was
Makdish an empty pit, wasteheap or dovecote, and it
became full of water, manure or doves, since they do
not grow from Hekdesh, Me'ilah does not apply to
them.
2. Rashbam (79a DH Hachi): Hekdesh is not strong enough
to acquire through its Reshus. Regarding a person,
we learn that his Chatzer acquires for him from
"v'Im Himatzei Timatzei v'Yado."
i. Tosfos (79b DH Eimar): Even if the water and
doves are likely to come, how does Hekdesh
acquire? Hekdesh has no Chatzer! One cannot be
Makdish what is not in his Reshus and will
never come to his Reshus! The Rashba answers
that he was Makdish the pit or dovecote on
condition that he retains rights in them to be
able to acquire the water and doves for
Hekdesh.
3. Ramban (79a DH v'Ha): The Rashbam explains that
Me'ilah does not apply to what is in them because
Hekdesh has no Chatzer, for Chatzer works due to Yad
and Hekdesh has no Yad. One could say that a Chatzer
acquires for Hekdesh, but Me'ilah does not apply to
what it acquires.
i. Ketzos ha'Choshen (DH v'Nistapakti): Perhaps
only a Chatzer of Hekdesh does not acquire for
Hekdesh, but if a person said 'my Chatzer
should acquire for Hekdesh', it acquires. Or,
perhaps even this does not work. It seems that
it works. Rava (Nedarim 34b) taught that if one
said 'my Chatzer should acquire this (Hefker)
loaf for Hekdesh', Me'ilah applies to it. The
Ran says that one's four Amos acquire for
Hekdesh, like Ploni can acquire a Metzi'ah for
Reuven. Four Amos acquire like a Chatzer. This
is a proof for Tosfos and the Rashbam, that
Hekdesh has no Chatzer. If Hekdesh has a
Chatzer, but Me'ilah does not apply to what it
acquires, why does Me'ilah apply to this loaf?
What is the difference whether Hekdesh acquired
through Zechiyah of its own Chatzer, or through
a person's Chatzer? In both cases a person was
Makdish it through Zechiyah! This proves that
Me'ilah applies to Hekdesh through Zechiyah. We
must say, like Tosfos (Zevachim 45a DH Dumya),
that Kodshei ha'Guf of Nochrim are excluded
from Me'ilah, but not Kodshei Bedek ha'Bayis.
Me'ilah applies to the loaf, for it is Hekdesh
Bedek ha'Bayis. I proved that a person's
Chatzer can acquire for Hekdesh. If so, why did
Tosfos (79b DH Eimar) need to say that he keeps
rights in the pit to be able to himself
acquire the water for Hekdesh?! It is because a
Chatzer acquires due to Shlichus, and one
cannot make a Shali'ach for Davar she'Lo Ba
l'Olam (Nazir 12b), his words help only
according to R. Meir, who holds that one can be
Makneh (or make a Shali'ach for) Davar she'Lo
Ba l'Olam.
(c) Poskim
1. Question (Tosfos Yom Tov Me'ilah 3:6 v'Ein): Why
does Tosfos say that Hekdesh has no Chatzer, for it
has no Yad? We conclude (Bava Metzia 12a) that even
though Chatzer acquires like a Yad, it is no worse
than Shlichus. Hekdesh has Shlichus! Kohanim who
serve in the Mikdash are Hashem's Shluchim (Nedarim
35b)! When the Gizbar is near the Chatzer, it is
guarded, and it should acquire for Hekdesh! It is
difficult to say that the Gizbar is a Shali'ach, and
a Shali'ach cannot make a Shali'ach.
2. Answer #1 (Tzon Kodoshim Me'ilah 13a DH Tosfos): The
Tosfos Yom Tov overlooked Tosfos Kidushin 23b (DH
d'Omar), which concludes that the question was
whether Kohanim are only Hashem's Shluchim, or
Shluchim of Hash-m and of Yisrael. Since the
question was not decided, we can say that they are
also Yisrael's Shluchim, so the Gizbar cannot
acquire for Hekdesh without Da'as of the owner.
3. Rebuttal (Ketzos ha'Choshen 200:1): Even if Kohanim
are Shluchim also of Yisrael, surely the Gizbar is
Hashem's Shali'ach. The question was about Kohanim,
for they offer Yisrael's Korbanos. The Tosfos Yom
Tov merely proved from here that Shamayim can have
Shluchim. Also, Tzon Kodoshim said that the Gizbar
cannot acquire for Hekdesh without Da'as of the
owners. A Hefker object has no owner! Water and
manure come from elsewhere and have no owners. They
are Hefker.
4. Answer #2 (Ketzos ha'Choshen): In Gitin (21a), Abaye
says that Chatzer acquires like a Yad, but Shlichus
is not due to Yad. Tosfos (21a DH Atu) asks that we
conclude (Bava Metzia 12a) that Chatzer acquires
like a Yad, but it is no worse than Shlichus. It is
Zechus to acquire a Metzi'ah, so one acquires even
if he is not standing nearby. It is unlike a Yad. It
acquires due to Shlichus; Zachin l'Adam she'Lo
Befanav (one may acquire for someone in his
absence). However, in other respects it must be like
a Yad. This is why a moving Chatzer does not acquire
like a Shali'ach. The Shitah Mekubetzes (12a) says
that the Hekesh of Chatzer to Yad teaches that it
must resemble a Yad. Since Hekdesh has no Yad, it
has no Chatzer, for a Chatzer acquires like a
Shali'ach only when it is like a Yad.
5. Answer #3 (Nesivos ha'Mishpat 200 Hakdamah DH
ul'Fi): The Ran (Bava Metzia 12a) says that a
Chatzer cannot acquire a Metzi'ah due to Shlichus,
for we require Shlichus of the owner. Also, this
harms others (who might want to acquire it).
Therefore, it can acquire only due to Yad. Even
though the Ran says that a Chatzer can acquire a
Metzi'ah due to Shlichus mid'Rabanan, perhaps this
is only for a person, just like it was enacted that
a person acquires through his four Amos, and this
does not apply to Hekdesh. However, we do find that
Hekdesh has a Yad, i.e. the Gizbar (Shach 255:6)! It
seems that this does not help for a Metzi'ah, for
the Gizbar is Hashem's Shali'ach, and we require
Shlichus of the owner. Also, this harms others. Just
like Hash-m did not make the Gizbar a Shali'ach to
acquire for one person and harm another, he is not a
Shali'ach to acquire for Hekdesh and harm others.
The Ramban agrees to this. The Ran (Nedarim 34b DH
Omar Rava) says that one can acquire a Hefker loaf
for Hekdesh through his Chatzer. There is different,
for he has a Migo, i.e. he could acquire it for
himself. This does not apply to a Chatzer of
Hekdesh. The Ramban discusses a pit or dovecote that
became full of water or doves, in which there is no
loss to anyone else. If not for the pit or dovecote,
there would be no water or doves. Hekdesh caused
them to come. In such a case, the Gizbar is a Yad of
Hekdesh and Hashem's Shali'ach. Also, we do not
require Shlichus of the owner regarding Hefker. We
require it for a Metzi'ah, for as long as no one
else acquired it, it still belongs to the one who
lost it. This is why Har ha'Bayis does not acquire
money dropped there. Surely, if one gives to
Hekdesh, even if he did not give to the Gizbar,
rather, he put it in a Chatzer of Hekdesh, in front
of the Gizbar, Hekdesh acquires. Here there is
Shlichus of the owner, and it does not harm others.
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