More Discussions for this daf
1. Eggs inside a chicken on Yom Tov 2. Tosfos 3. Nolad as Muktzah
4. Muktzah & Tevel 5. Tosfos DH u'Beis Hillel, Tosfos DH Gabei 6. Hachana d'Rabah
7. Eruv Tavshilin 8. Eruv Tavshilin for Gebrochts 9. Beit Shamai's Chidush
10. Hachanah from Shabbos for a weekday 11. Hachanah by cooking and baking 12. The Heter to use a broken utensil
13. Introduction to Muktzah 14. Beis Hillel/Beis Shamai 15. Addition to Insight
16. Possible mistake 17. Hachanah d'Rabah 18. ביצה שנולדה ביו"ט
DAF DISCUSSIONS - BEITZAH 2

uword asked:

1. In Tosfos 2a DH u'Beis Hillel, what does tosfos mean "lo shocach ho'il"? What does this have to do with the laws of bassis?

2. On Amud bais Tosfos DH Gabei, what does tosfos mean - when do you consider it a stam v'ach'ch machlokes?

uword,

The Kollel replies:

1. The phrase you quote reads 'de'Ha Lo Shachach, Ho'il ve'Hinicham Sham'.

Tosfos is referring to the Halachah that something on which a Muktzeh object is placed only becomes a Basis (and is Muktzeh) if the object was placed there on purpose, but not if it was left there inadvertently. Tosfos is therefore asking why Beis Hillel permit the removal of the table top, seeing as it is a Basis le'Davar ha'Asur, bearing in mind that he did not forget it there, since he placed it there on purpose?

2. I'm afraid I don't understand your second question. Please re-phrase it more clearly.

b'Virchas Kol Tuv,

Eliezer Chrysler