More Discussions for this daf
1. The key to rain and the nature of "Shelichus" 2. MAYIM 3. First Mishnah
4. Three Keys 5. Techiyas ha'Mesim, Nisuch ha'Mayim, Eser Neti'os 6. R'Yehoshua
7. Machlokes Rashi and Tosfos 8. Af Bri and the Key of Rain 9. Tefilas Geshem
10. Why does R' Yehoshua Need to Bring Another R'ayah 11. The keys of life 12. Maftechos
13. Resurrection of the dead? 14. Meshech Chochmah about the keys to the seas 15. Ra'avan
16. the 3 maftejot 17. Mashiv ha'Ru'ach 18. Mashiv ha'Ruach
19. The Hint of Nisuch ha'Mayim according to Rabbi Yehuda ben Beseirah 20. לפיכך אם בא להזכיר כל השנה כולה מזכיר

Jeffrey Waldman asks:

The Gemarah explains that Mashiv ha'Ru'ach u'Morid ha'Geshem is only mentioning rain and that we don't ask for rain till we start saying v'Sein Tal u'Matar. If that's the case then why do we say Tefilas Geshem on Shemini Atzeres? Shouldn't we say it when we start sayingv'Sein Tal u'Matar?

Jeffrey Waldman, Far Rockaway, United States

The Kollel replies:

Sholom Rav.

Tefilas Geshem, in spite of its name, is not a direct prayer for rain.

Indeed, the text of the Tefilah section (that is recited in Eretz Yisrael) does not contain the word 'Geshem'. It belongs to the 'Mazkirin Gevuros Geshamim' that precedes the rain season, and should be understood to mean 'on the merit of the Avos, don't hold back/grace us with rain - when the rain season arrives.

Be'Virchas Kol Tuv

Eliezer Chrysler