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4. Three Keys 5. Techiyas ha'Mesim, Nisuch ha'Mayim, Eser Neti'os 6. R'Yehoshua
7. Machlokes Rashi and Tosfos 8. Af Bri and the Key of Rain 9. Tefilas Geshem
10. Why does R' Yehoshua Need to Bring Another R'ayah 11. The keys of life 12. Maftechos
13. Geshem and Matar 14. Safek in Tosfos DH Me'emasai 15. Resurrection of the dead?
16. Meshech Chochmah about the keys to the seas 17. Ra'avan 18. the 3 maftejot
19. Mashiv ha'Ru'ach 20. Mashiv ha'Ruach 21. The Hint of Nisuch ha'Mayim according to Rabbi Yehuda ben Beseirah
22. לפיכך אם בא להזכיר כל השנה כולה מזכיר
DAF DISCUSSIONS - TA'ANIS 2

Landman asks:

Is there any difference between geshem and moter?

Landman , Lakewood nj

The Kollel replies:

Greetings,

There are different opinions regarding your question.

1) The Roke'ach in his commentary on the Siddur writes that Geshem is mixed with wind, while Matar falls straight to the ground like an arrow with a target ("Matarah").

2) The Ramban (in his commentary to Iyov, chapter 7) writes that Geshem falls lightly, while Matar falls with force. Some of the Acharonim writes similarly to the Ramban (see Chidushei Rav Shlomo ha'Kohen mi'Vilna (the Cheshek Shlomo, Ta'anis 4b) that Geshem falls coarsely and heavily, while Matar is rain that falls scattered and in fine drops.

3) Some mention that Geshem can be both rains of blessing and of curse, while Matar always refers to rains of blessing. (See Cheshek Shlomo to Ta'anis 2a.)

4) The Aruch ha'Shulchan (Orach Chayim 119) says that Geshem falls from the sky, as opposed to Matar, which is water that has evaporated from the earth and falls again. The Malbim (to Zachariah, chapter 10) writes, on the contrary, that Geshem is natural, as opposed to Matar that falls by special providence from Hash-m. He, too, sees this from the word "Matar" being close to the word "Matarah."

5) Yet others write (see Metzudos Tziyon to Zechariah 10) that there is no difference; Geshem and Matar are synonymous.

There are many Pesukim that are cited to prove each opinion, but the bottom line is that there is no real clear-cut answer.

I hope this helps,

Aharon Steiner