CHULIN 31-43 - Two weeks of study material have been dedicated by Mrs. Estanne Abraham Fawer to honor the Yahrzeit of her father, Rav Mordechai ben Eliezer Zvi (Rabbi Morton Weiner) Z'L, who passed away on 18 Teves 5760. May the merit of supporting and advancing Dafyomi study -- which was so important to him -- during the weeks of his Yahrzeit serve as an Iluy for his Neshamah.

1)

(a)According to Rav Acha bar Ya'akov, Resh Lakish forbids inviting a Nochri to partake of a piece of lung. Why is that?

(b)Then why is a Yisrael permitted to eat it?

(c)How did Rav Papa intend to query Rav Acha bar Ya'akov?

(d)What made him change his mind?

1)

(a)According to Rav Acha bar Ya'akov, Resh Lakish forbids inviting a Nochri to partake of a piece of lung - because, seeing as a Nochri is not obligated to Shecht, the animal only becomes permitted to him once it dies, and any part of the animal that is removed from the animal before that (including the lungs, as Resh Lakish explained) is Eiver min ha'Chai.

(b)A Yisrael is nevertheless permitted to eat it - because Shechitah permits the entire animal, even if it is still alive after the Shechitah.

(c)Rav Papa intended to query Rav Acha bar Ya'akov - from the principle that there is nothing which is permitted to a Yisrael and forbidden to a Nochri.

(d)He changed his mind however - because he could see no flaw in Rav Acha bar Ya'akov's reasoning.

2)

(a)The Beraisa discusses someone who wants to eat fresh, healthy meat from an animal that has just been Shechted. From which part of the animal does the Tana suggest he cuts it? Why is that?

(b)Besides salting it well, he must also wash it well. Why is that?

(c)Why must he wait until it dies before eating it?

(d)What does the Tana add that negates the previous ruling of Rav Acha bar Ya'akov?

2)

(a)The Beraisa discusses someone who wants to eat fresh, healthy meat from an animal that has just been Shechted. The Tana suggests he cuts it - from the Beis-ha'Shechitah, because it has already been skinned and is therefore the freshest.

(b)Besides salting it well, he must also wash it well - because it contains a lot of blood that has not managed to drain.

(c)He must wait until it dies before eating it however - because of the La'av of "Lo Sochlu al ha'Dam".

(d)The Tana adds that - once the animal dies, both a Yisrael and a Nochri are permitted to eat it (negating the previous ruling of Rav Acha bar Ya'akov).

3)

(a)The current Beraisa supports Rav Idi bar Avin. What did Rav Idi bar Avin citing Rav Yitzchak bar Ashi'an, say?

3)

(a)The current Beraisa supports Rav Idi bar Avin who, citing Rav Yitzchak bar Ashi'an says - exactly the same as the Tana.

4)

(a)What does our Mishnah say about ...

1. ... a bloodless Shechitah?

2. ... eating from such an animal with Tamei hands?

(b)Rebbi Shimon says that even if there is no blood, the animal, Chayah or bird is nevertheless Muchshar Lekabeil Tum'ah. How is that?

(c)Our Mishnah implies that if blood did spill from the neck, the animal will indeed become Tamei through contact with the hands of the Shochet. What level of Tum'ah will that render the meat?

(d)How do we query this?

4)

(a)Our Mishnah ...

1. ... declares a bloodless Shechitah - Kasher.

2. ... permits eating from such an animal with Tamei hands.

(b)Rebbi Shimon says that even if there is no blood, the animal, Chayah or bird is nevertheless Muchshar Lekabeil Tum'ah - through the Shechitah, because since it renders the animal ready to eat, it also renders it ready to receive Tum'ah.

(c)Our Mishnah implies that if blood did spill from the neck, the animal will indeed become Tamei through contact with the hands of the Shochet, rendering the meat - a Shelishi le'Tum'ah.

(d)We query this however in that - the lowest level of Tum'ah by Chulin is a Sheini, and there is therefore no such thing as a Shelishi.

5)

(a)The current problem would not exist if the Tana was referring to Kodshim (where there is a Shelishi and even a Revi'i). How do we know that he is not, from the fact that he specifically refers to Beheimah, Chayah va'Of?

(b)We also know that he is not, because he validates a bloodless Shechitah, whereas by Kodshim, the blood is crucial for the Zerikah. What further proof do we have from the inference Ha Yatz'a meihen Dam, Ein Ne'echalin ... ? What did Rebbi Chiya bar Aba Amar Rebbi Yochanan say about the blood of Kodshim?

(c)How does he learn this from the Pasuk in Re'ei "al ha'Aretz Tishpechenu ka'Mayim"?

(d)And we bring a final proof that the Mishnah cannot be talking about Kodshim, from the fact that when there is no blood, the animal is not Muchshar Lekabeil Tum'ah. What does that prove?

5)

(a)The current problem would not exist if the Tana was referring to Kodshim (where there is a Shelishi and even a Revi'i). We know that he is not, from the fact that he refers specifically to Beheimah, Chayah va'Of - and a Chayah is not subject to Ha'Kodesh.

(b)We also know that he is not, because he validates a bloodless Shechitah, whereas by Kodshim, the blood is crucial for the Zerikah. We have a further proof from the inference Ha Yatz'a meihen Dam, Ein Ne'echalin ... - implying that Dam Kodshim is Machshir Lekabeil Tum'ah, whereas Rebbi Chiya bar Aba Amar Rebbi Yochanan ruled - that the blood of Kodshim is not Machshir ...

(c)... which he learns this from the Pasuk in Re'ei "al ha'Aretz Tishpechenu ka'Mayim" - implying that blood that can be spilt like water is Machshir, but not blood that requires sprinkling.

(d)And we bring a final proof that the Mishnah cannot be talking about Kodshim, from the fact that where there is no blood, the animal is not Muchshar Lekabeil Tum'ah - whereas we have a K'lal that 'Chibas Hakodesh' renders food all Ha'Kodesh (even Ha'Kodesh wood), to be Muchshar Lekabeil Tum'ah.

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6)

(a)Rav Nachman solves the Kashya (regarding a Shelishi by Chulin) by establishing our Mishnah by Chulin which one purchased with the money of Ma'aser Sheini, though not according to Rebbi Meir, who rules in the Mishnah in Parah, that someone who is Tamei mi'de'Rabbanan is Metamei Kodesh and Posel Terumah. What is the difference between Metamei and Posel?

(b)What does he say about Chulin and Ma'aser?

(c)What do the Chachamim say about Ma'aser?

6)

(a)Rav Nachman solves our Kashya (regarding a Shelishi by Chulin) by establishing our Mishnah by Chulin which one purchased with the money of Ma'aser Sheini, though not according to Rebbi Meir, who rules in the Mishnah in Parah, that someone who is Tamei mi'de'Rabbanan is Metamei Kodesh - (it renders the Kodesh a Shelishi, and the Kodesh can now make a Revi'i) and Posel Terumah - (it renders the Terumah a Shelishi, but the Terumah cannot make a Revi'i).

(b)He concludes 'u'Mutar be'Chulin u've'Ma'aser'.

(c)The Chachamim too, permit him to eat Chulin, but place Ma'aser on a par with Terumah.

7)

(a)What objection does Rav Shimi bar Ashi raise with Rav Nachman's answer, based on the Lashon 'va'Chachamim Osrin'? What does Osrin imply?

(b)How does Rav Shimi bar Ashi know that our Mishnah is speaking about touching the meat, and not just eating it?

(c)So Rav Papa establishes our Mishnah like Rebbi Shimon ben Elazar in a Beraisa. What does the Tana Kama there mean when he says 'Ein Yadayim Techilos le'Chulin'?

(d)And what does Rebbi Shimon ben Elazar mean when he says ...

1. ... 'Yadayim Techilos le'Chulin'? Does it mean that they are not Techilos for Terumah?

2. ... 'Sheniyos li'Terumah'?

7)

(a)Rav Shimi bar Ashi objects to Rav Nachman's answer, based on the Lashon 'va'Chachamim Osrin' which implies - an Isur to eat it, but not to touch it, and our Mishnah is speaking about touching.

(b)Rav Shimi bar Ashi knows that our Mishnah is speaking about touching the meat, and not eating it - because the Tana says 've'Ne'echalin be'Yadayim Mesa'avos', implying that the Tamei is permitted to feed someone else, from which we extrapolate that if there had been blood, this would be forbidden.

(c)So Rav Papa establishes our Mishnah like Rebbi Shimon ben Elazar in a Beraisa. When the Tana Kama says 'Ein Yadayim Techilos le'Chulin', he means that - wherever we find Yadayim Techilos (as we will see shortly), it is only with regard to Terumah and Kodshim, but not to Chulin, where the hands are always considered Sheniyos.

(d)And when Rebbi Shimon ben Elazar says ...

1. ... 'Yadayim Techilos le'Chulin', he means that - they are even Techilos for Chulin as well (and certainly, for Terumah).

2. ... 'Sheniyos li'Terumah' (such as S'tam Yadayim), he means that they are Sheniyos for Terumah exclusively.

8)

(a)According to the Chachamim in the Mishnah in Yadayim, hands are always Sheniyos. Who is the Tana who holds that by a house that is stricken with Tzara'as, they are Techilos?

(b)If the Chachamim hold, in the previous case, that Chazal decreed hands by a Bayis ha'Menuga because of hands elsewhere, what does Rebbi Akiva hold?

(c)What will both opinions hold with regard to 'Bi'ah be'Miktzas'?

(d)Then why are the hands Tamei?

8)

(a)According to the Chachamim in the Mishnah in Yadayim, hands are always Sheniyos. The Tana who holds that by a house that is stricken with Tzara'as, they are Techilos is - Rebbi Akiva.

(b)The Chachamim hold, in the previous case, that Chazal decreed hands by a Bayis ha'Menuga because of hands elsewhere, Rebbi Akiva holds that - they decreed hands by a Bayis ha'Menuga because of the whole body.

(c)Both opinions will hold that - 'Bi'ah be'Miktzas Lo Sh'mah Bi'ah' ...

(d)... and the hands are Tamei - mi'de'Rabbanan.

9)

(a)Why does Rav Papa establish our Mishnah like Rebbi Shimon ben Elazar and not like Rebbi Akiva, according to whom hands can be Techilos?

(b)What does Rebbi Akiva Darshen in the Mishnah in Pesachim from the Pasuk in Shemini (in connection with a loaf that becomes a Sheini in an earthenware oven) "ve'Chol K'li Cheres ... Yitma", from the future tense used by the Pasuk?

(c)What is the Tana referring to when he states that Rebbi Akiva made this D'rashah 'bo ba'Yom'?

(d)Then why did Rav Papa decline to establish our Mishnah like Rebbi Akiva, even assuming that the hands are Sheniyos?

9)

(a)Rav Papa establishes our Mishnah like Rebbi Shimon ben Elazar and not like Rebbi Akiva, according to whom hands can be Techilos - because for all we know, Rebbi Akiva only declares Yadayim a Rishon regarding Terumah and Kodshim, which are more stringent, but not regarding Chulin.

(b)Rebbi Akiva Darshens in the Mishnah in Pesachim from the Pasuk in Shemini (in connection with a loaf that becomes a Sheini in an earthenware oven) "ve'Chol K'li Cheres ... Yitma" (from the future tense used by the Pasuk) - "Yitma", 'Yetamei' (that the loaf can even make a Shelishi (even by Chulin).

(c)When the Tana states that Rebbi Akiva made this D'rashah 'bo ba'Yom', he is referring - to the day on which they deposed Rabban Gamliel, and appointed Rebbi Elazar ben Azarya Nasi in his place.

(d)Nevertheless, Rav Papa declined to establish our Mishnah like Rebbi Akiva, even assuming that the hands are Sheniyos - because as far as we know, Rebbi Akiva is only talking about Tum'ah d'Oraysa (such as a Sheretz), but not about Tum'ah de'Rabbanan (such as S'tam Yadayim), like our Mishnah.

10)

(a)Rebbi Elazar Amar Rebbi Hoshaya establishes our Mishnah by Chulin she'Na'asu al Taharas Hakodesh, not like the opinion of Rebbi Yehoshua,who holds Chulin She'Na'asu al Taharas Ha'Kodeshi, La'av ke'Kodesh Dami. What is Rebbi Yehoshua's reason?

(b)What does Rebbi Eliezer say in the Mishnah in Taharos about someone who eats a food that is ...

1. ... a Rishon?

2. ... a Sheini?

3. ... a Shelishi?

(c)How much must one eat for this Tum'ah to take effect?

(d)What if one touches the same food?

(e)Why is that?

10)

(a)Rebbi Elazar Amar Rebbi Hoshaya establishes our Mishnah by Chulin She'Na'asu al Taharas Ha'Kodesh, not like the opinion of Rebbi Yehoshua, who holds Chulin She'Na'asu al Taharas Ha'Kodeshi, La'av ke'Kodesh Dami - due to the principle Batlah Da'ato Eitzel Kol Adam (the owner's mind is Bateil to everybody else, for whom this is Chulin and not Kodesh).

(b)Rebbi Eliezer rules in the Mishnah in Taharos that someone who eats a food that is ...

1. ... a Rishon - becomes a Rishon.

2. ... a Sheini - becomes a Sheini.

3. ... a Shelishi - becomes a Shelishi.

(c)For this Tum'ah to take effect one must eat - at least half a P'ras (two k'Beitzim).

(d)If one touches the same food - he will remain Tahor ...

(e)... because a person cannot become Tamei by touching a food, only by touching an Av ha'Tum'ah.

11)

(a)What does Rebbi Yehohua say about someone who eats a Rishon or a Sheini?

(b)If he eats a Shelishi, he becomes a Sheini with regard to Kodesh. What if he touches Terumah?

(c)Does this mean that he is then permitted to eat Terumah?

(d)What sort of Chulin food must Rebbi Yehoshua be talking about, for there to be a Shelishi at all?

11)

(a)According to Rebbi Yehoshua, someone who eats a Rishon or a Sheini - becomes a Sheini.

(b)If he eats a Shelishi, he becomes a Sheini with regard to Kodesh - but not with regard to Terumah, which will remain Tahor if he touches it.

(c)He does not however, permit him to eat Terumah - because that will turn it into a Shelishi le'Tum'ah.

(d)For there to be a Shelishi at all, Rebbi Yehoshua must be talking about - Chulin she'Na'asu al Taharas Terumah.

12)

(a)What does Chulin she'Na'asu al Taharas Terumah/Ha'Kodeshi mean?

(b)Why did Rebbi Elazar then not establish our Mishnah by Chulin she'Na'asu al Taharas Terumah (like Rebbi Yehoshua) rather than by Chulin she'Na'asu al Taharas Ha'Kodesh (not like Rebbi Yehoshua)?

(c)Why will there be no problem with establishing our Mishnah like Rebbi Eliezer?

(d)By the same token, why would anyone declare Kedushas Ha'Kodesh on a Chayah (which the Tana inserts [and which was actually one of the problems which sparked off the current discussion]), seeing as a Chayah is not subject to Ha'Kodesh?

12)

(a)Chulin she'Na'asu al Taharas Terumah/Ha'Kodeshi means that - a Kohen declares that he will eat his Chulin with the Kedushah of Terumah, or a Kohen or a Yisrael declares that he will eat his meat with the Kedushah of Ha'Kodesh), in order to train himself to eat his Terumah or his Kodshim be'Taharah).

(b)Rebbi Elazar could not have established our Mishnah by Chulin she'Na'asu al Taharas Terumah (like Rebbi Yehoshua) rather than by Chulin she'Na'asu al Taharas Ha'Kodesh (not like Rebbi Yehoshua) - because the Tana is talking about meat, which is not subject to Terumah. Consequently, no Kohen will declare Kedushas Terumah on his animals.

(c)There will be no problem with establishing our Mishnah like Rebbi Eliezer - because he is non-committal about how he arrives by a Shelishi, and it may well be through Chulin she'Na'asu al Taharas Ha'Kodeshi.

(d)Nevertheless, the Tana inserts Chayah (even though a Chayah is not subject to Ha'Kodesh, as we discussed at the beginning of the Sugya) - because, bearing in mind the similarity between Chayos and Beheimos, people might still declare Kedushas Ha'Kodesh on them (to train themselves with regard to Beheimos).

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