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(a) In another Beraisa, in connection with 'Nitnin Lema'alah she'Nis'arvu be'Nitnin Lematah' (e.g. the blood of a Chatas with the blood of an Olah), Rebbi Eliezer says 'Yiten Lema'alah, ve'Ro'in ... ve'ha'Tachtonim Alu lo' (the excerpts from the Beraisa, which we are about to quote, section by section, runs parallel with our Mishnah. See Tosfos DH 've'Od'). What does the last statement mean?
(b) What does this Beraisa prove?
(c) On whom does it pose a Kashya?
(d) To refute this Kashya, we establish the Beraisa where the majority of the blood was from the Chatas. How much blood does he then place above the Chut ha'Sikra?
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(a) What is now the problem with the Seifa of the Beraisa 've'ha'Tachtonim Alu lo'?
(b) What do we mean when we answer 'le'Shem Shirayim'?
(c) The Beraisa continues 'Nasan le'Matah ve'Lo Nimlach (without asking advice), Rebbi Eliezer Omer Yachzor ve'Yiten Lema'alah ... '. What would the Kohen have been told to do, had he asked?
(d) The Rabbanan disagree with Rebbi Eliezer. According to them, the remainder of the blood must be poured into the Amah. Why is that? What is the basis of their Machlokes?
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(a) What Kashya does this Beraisa pose on Rav Ashi?
(b) How do we answer it?
(c) How will we then explain the Seifa 've'ha'Tachtonim Alu lo'?
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(a) The Beraisa continues 'Nasnan Lema'alah ... Eilu va'Eilu Modim she'Yachzor Veyiten Lematah'. On what grounds do the Rabbanan (who rule in the previous case 'Yishafech le'Amah') agree with Rebbi Eliezer here?
(b) Here too, according to Rav Ashi, we establish the case where the majority of the blood was from the Chatas ... . Which Korban is Kasher, according to ...
1. ... Rebbi Eliezer?
2. ... the Rabbanan?
(c) How do we then explain the Seifa 'Eilu va'Eilu Alu lo'? Who is then the author?
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11)
(a) We learned in our Mishnah 'ha'Nitnin be'Matanah Achas she'Nis'arvu be'Matanah Achas, Yinasnu be'Matanah Achas ... Matan Arba be'Matan Arba, Yinasnu be'Matan Arba'. How do we know that Rebbi Eliezer agrees with these rulings?
(b) How will Rav Ashi, who holds 'Ein Bilah' (according to Rebbi Eliezer) explain ...
1. ... the Reisha?
2. ... the Seifa?
(c) We ask the same Kashya on Rav Ashi from the Seifa 'Matan Arba be'Matan Achas, Rebbi Eliezer Omer Yinasnu be'Matan Arba'. We suggest that maybe here too, the Mishnah speaks 'be'Nis'arev be'Achas'. What exactly, do we mean by that?
(d) On what grounds do we reject that suggestion?
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