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(a) With regard to the Chata'os Penimiyos, the Torah writes in Vayikra "Ve'taval ha'Kohen Etzba'o ... ". What did Rav Yehudah b'rei de'Rebbi Chiya comment about Tevilas Etzba by Chata'os Penimiyos?
(b) How did bar Pada query this ruling (from the source of Pigul), when Ilfa repeated this Chidush in front of him?
(c) The Mishnah says in the second Perek that if, after a Korban Chatas has been Shechted with thoughts of Pigul, the Kohen makes Kabalah or Holachah she'Lo li'Shemo, the person who eats it is not Chayav Chatas. Why is that?
(d) Why then, if the same occurs with a Shelamim, does the Din of Pigul remain intact?
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(a) If, as we explained earlier, we learn Pigul by Chatas from Pigul by Shelamim, then how will we explain the difference between the Din of Chatas and that of Shelamim that we just cited?
(b) How will this vindicate Rav Yehudah b'rei de'Rebbi Chiya?
(c) In a repeat of the Sugya, Resh Lakish (who holds like bar Pada) asks Rebbi Yehoshua ben Levi (who holds like Rav Yehudah b'rei de'Rebbi Chiya) the same Kashya as bar Pada asked Rav Yehudah b'rei de'Rebbi Chiya. Only there, Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Chanina concludes that we do indeed learn Chatas from Shelamim. Where do we find by Shelamim that a subsequent Machsheves P'sul negates the Machsheves Pigul that preceded it (even though a Machsheves she'Lo li'Shemo does not)?
(d) How does Rebbi Yirmiyah query this Limud? Why can we not learn the Din of she'Lo li'Shemo (by Chatas) from Chutz li'Mekomo (by Shelamim)?
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(a) So we learn Chatas from Shelamim with a 'Mah Matzinu' from Shelamim, via a set of principles. How (via which principle) do we then learn ...
1. ... that she'Lo li'Shemo by a Chatas negates the Pigul that preceded it?
2. ... that Tevilas Etzba renders Pigul by Chata'os ha'Penimiyos?
(b) Rav Mari tries to prove this from a Mishnah in Menachos. What does the Tana say there about a Kohen performing the Kemitzah, placing the Minchah into a K'li Shareis, taking it to the Mizbe'ach and burning it on the Mizbe'ach? What must he have in mind to render the Minchah Pigul?
(c) To which four Avodos of a Zevach do these four Avodos correspond?
(d) If we can learn the other three from the corresponding Avodos by a Shelamim, what is the problem with learning Matan Kometz bi'Cheli from Kabalas ha'Dam?
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(a) What does Rav Mari therefore learn from the Mishnah in Menachos, regarding the Din of Tevilas Etzba by Chata'os ha'Penimiyos?
(b) On what grounds do we refute Rav Mari's proof?
(c) One Beraisa states 'Tevilas Etzba Mefageles be'Chatas', whilst another Beraisa states 'Lo Mefageles ve'Lo Mispageles'. How do we initially interpret the Machlokes?
(d) We counter that both Beraisos may well consider Tevilas Etzba like Holachah, and the author of the Beraisa 'Lo Mefageles ... ' is Rebbi Shimon. What does Rebbi Shimon say?
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(a) What problem do we have with establishing the latter Beraisa like Rebbi Shimon, based on the fact that we are talking about Pigul in the Heichal?
(b) So we establish both Beraisos like the Rabbanan. How then, do we explain 'Lo Mefageles ... ' in the second Beraisa? What sort of Chata'os is the Tana talking about?
(c) We ask on that 'P'shita'. What do we mean by that?
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(a) In fact, when the Torah writes (by Chatas Chitzonah) "Ve'lakach ha'Kohen mi'Dam ha'Chatas be'Etzba'o", it refers to Kabalas ha'Dam. How do we know that it does not refer to Tevilas Etzba'o.
(b) Then why might we have thought that it does?
(c) Why then, is Tevilas Etzba'o not subject to Pigul?
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