1)

(a)The Torah writes in Tzav "Verachatzu Aharon u'Vanav Mimenu es Yedeihem ve'es Ragleihem". What She'eilah does the word "Mimenu" give rise to?

(b)How does Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak try to resolve the She'eilah from the Beraisa which disqualifies Kidush that is made in a pool in a cave (which we already cited earlier)?

(c)How do we refute this proof? Why might the Tana prefer to mention 'Mei Me'arah', even assuming that Kidush inside the Kiyor is not valid either?

(d)Why is Tevilah in the Kiyor not valid?

1)

(a)The Torah writes in Tzav "Ve'rachatzu Aharon u'Vanav Mimenu es Yedeihem ve'es Ragleihem", giving rise to the She'eilah - whether "Mimenu", should be taken literally to mean from it (but not in it), or whether it is La'av Davka (and incorporates both interpretations).

(b)Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak tries to resolve the She'eilah from the Beraisa which disqualifies Kidush that is made in a pool in a cave (which we already cited earlier) - since it implies that the same immersion in the Kiyor would be valid.

(c)We refute this proof however, in that - even assuming that Kidush inside the Kiyor is not valid either, the Tana might prefer to mention Mei Me'arah - to teach us that despite the fact that his immersion in the pool is a valid Tevilah (which is not the case in the Kiyor, as we shall now see), it is not valid as Kidush Yadayim ve'Raglayim.

(d)Tevilah in the Kiyor is not valid - because it is Mayim She'uvim (drawn water), which cannot be used as a Mikvah.

2)

(a)If the limbs of a Korban become Pasul be'Linah at dawn-break, when does blood that has not been sprinkled become Pasul?

(b)What does Rebbi Chiya bar Rebbi Yosef therefore mean when he says Mei Kiyor Nifsalin ...

1. ... le'Matirin ke'Matirin?

2. ... le'Evarim ke'Evarim?

(c)What does Rebbi Chiya b'rei de'Rav Yosef say about a case where they lowered the Kiyor before nightfall, and brought it up during the night, with regard to using the water for ...

1. ... Avodas Laylah?

2. ... Avodas Yom?

(d)Why the difference?

(e)What does Rav Chisda say?

2)

(a)The limbs of a Korban become Pasul be'Linah at dawn-break, whereas blood that has not been sprinkled becomes Pasul - at sunset (nightfall).

(b)When Rebbi Chiya bar Rebbi Yosef says Mei Kiyor Nifsalin ...

1. ... le'Matirin ke'Matirin, he therefore means that - the water of the Kiyor becomes Pasul to be used for Avodos that are Matir (before sprinkling the blood or burning the Kometz [which are called Matir because they permit the Korban to be brought and eaten]) already at nightfall (just like the blood or the Kometz for which the Kohen made Kidush, does).

2. ... le'Evarim ke'Evarim, he means that - if the Kidush is for burning the pieces of the Korban on the Mizbe'ach, then it only becomes Pasul in the morning (be'Linah [like the pieces of flesh for which the Kohen made Kidush).

(c)If they lowered the Kiyor before nightfall, and brought it up during the night, Rebbi Chiya bar Yosef renders the water ...

1. ... Kasher for Avodas Laylah but ...

2. ... Pasul (immediately) for Avodas Yom.

(d)... because whereas the former (Haktoras Evarim) is not a Matir, the latter is.

(e)According to Rav Chisda however - either way, the Mei Kiyor only becomes Pasul in the morning.

3)

(a)When Rebbi Yochanan said Kiyor, Keivan she'Shak'o, Shuv Ein Ma'aleihu, what did we initially think he meant?

(b)We refute this however, with a statement by Rebbi Ami Amar Rebbi Yochanan in the name of Ilfa (that we already cited earlier) Kiyor she'Lo Shak'o mi'ba'Erev, Mekadesh mimenu la'Avodas Laylah (Hekter Chalavim). How do we therefore explain his current statement?

(c)What is then the problem with Rebbi Yochanan's statement, bearing in mind that it follows that of Rebbi Chiya b'Rebbi Yosef and Rav Chisda?

3)

(a)When Rebbi Yochanan said Kiyor, Keivan she'Shak'o, Shuv Ein Ma'aleihu, we initially thought he meant that - after nightfall, the Kohen may not even bring up the Kiyor to use the water for the night Avodah (arguing with both Rebbi Chiya b'Rebbi Yosef and Rav Chisda).

(b)We refute this however, with a statement by Rebbi Ami Amar Rebbi Yochanan in the name of Ilfa (that we already cited earlier) Kiyor she'Lo Shak'o mi'ba'Erev, Mekadesh mimenu la'Avodas Laylah (Hekter Chalavim ...). So we explain his previous statement to mean that - it is forbidden to bring up the Kiyor for the day Avodah, but not for the night Avodah.

(c)Bearing in mind that this statement follows that of Rebbi Chiya b'Rebbi Yosef and Rav Chisda, the problem is that - he then seems to be mimicing Rebbi Chiya b'rei de'Rav Yosef (who also forbids bringing up the Kiyor for the day Avodah).

4)

(a)We answer by establishing Rebbi Yochanan by Gezeiras Shiku'a. What is Gezeiras Shiku'a?

(b)What does Rebbi Chiya b'rei de'Rav Yosef hold?

(c)How can we prove this from their respective Leshonos.

4)

(a)We answer by establishing Rebbi Yochanan by Gezeiras Shiku'a - when he forbids bringing up the Kiyor, it is not because its water is intrinsically Pasul for the day Avodah, but because of a decree, in case the Kohanim subsequently forget to lower it again before dawn-break ...

(b)... whereas according to Rebbi Chiya b'rei de'Rav Yosef - the water is intrinsically Pasul for the morning Avodah.

(c)And we can prove this from their respective Leshonos - since Rebbi Chiya b'rei de'Rav Yosef uses the word Nifsalin, whereas Rebbi Yochanan simply says Ein Ma'alin (a Lashon of Isur, but not of P'sul).

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5)

(a)Earlier, we cited Rebbi Yochanan in the name of Ilfa, who exempts a Kohen who made Kidush for the Terumas ha'Deshen, from having to make Kidush again in the morning. How do we account for the fact that he permits raising the Kiyor for Avodas Yom?

(b)Why were the Chachamim not afraid of Gezeiras Shiku'a?

(c)What is then the problem with Rebbi Yochanan quoting Ilfa? How do the two statements of Rebbi Yochanan seem to clash?

(d)However, this is only a problem according to Abaye, who establishes the earlier statement of Rebbi Yochanan like Rebbi (who holds that Kidush is subject to Linah), but not according to Rava, who establishes it like Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon. Why not?

5)

(a)Earlier, we cited Rebbi Yochanan, who exempts a Kohen who made Kidush for the Terumas ha'Deshen, from having to make Kidush again in the morning. And the reason that he permits raising the Kiyor for Avodas Yom - is because, seeing as the Kohen who performs the Terumas ha'Deshen has to make Kidush Yadayim ... there is no other option.

(b)Nor were the Chachamim afraid of Gezeiras Shiku'a - because, since it is so close to the next day, and there are unlikely to be any other Kohanim who will need it for the night Avodah, whoever raised the Kiyor, is bound to remember to lower it again.

(c)The problem with Rebbi Yochanan quoting Ilfa is - why, bearing in mind his current statement of Gezeiras Shiku'a, he says nothing there about lowering the Kiyor back into the stream.

(d)However, this is only a problem according to Abaye, who establishes the earlier statement of Rebbi Yochanan quoting Ilfa like Rebbi, but not according to Rava, who establishes it like Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon (according to whom there is no Linah by a Kohen [and presumably, not by the Mei Kiyor either]) - because he will then establish the current statement of Rebbi Yochanan like Rebbi (who holds that there is Linah, which explains why the Gezeirah of Shiku'a applies).

6)

(a)What is now the problem with Rebbi Yochanan quoting Ilfa, according to Abaye?

(b)Why can we not answer like we answered earlier, that Rebbi concedes that there is no Linah from the wake-up call to do the Avodah until morning?

(c)How do we answer this Kashya? Why did Rebbi Yochanan not mention the obligation to lower the Kiyor back into the stream in his earlier statement?

(d)If, as we just explained, Rebbi Yochanan agrees that, after the Kidush for the Terumas ha'Deshen, they would lower the Kiyor back into the stream, then why does he go on to say le'Machar Eino Mekadesh?

6)

(a)The problem with Rebbi Yochanan quoting Ilfa, according to Abaye is that - seeing as he goes according to Rebbi, who holds of Linah (as we explained earlier), why did he not mention the obligation to lower the Kiyor back into the stream after the Kidush.

(b)We cannot answer like we answered earlier, that Rebbi concedes that there is no Linah from the call to do the Avodah until morning - because unlike the P'sul Linah of the Kohen, which is de'Rabbanan (as we explained there), the P'sul Linah of the Mei Kiyor is d'Oraysa) and is not therefore subject to the Chachamim's leniencies.

(c)We answer this Kashya by ascribing the fact that Rebbi Yochanan quoting Ilfa did not mention the obligation to lower the Kiyor again (not for any Halachic reason, but) - to the fact that Rebbi Yochanan is coming to teach us the Din of Kidush according to Rebbi, and that he is not concerned with the Din of the Kiyor.

(d)Even though, as we just explained, Rebbi Yochanan agrees that, after the Kidush for the Terumas ha'Deshen, they would lower the Kiyor back into the stream, he nevertheless goes on to say le'Machar Eino Mekadesh - because what he really means is Eino Tzarich Lekadesh (as we explained above).

7)

(a)Seeing as Rebbi Yochanan holds that night-time does not intrinsically invalidate the water of the Kiyor, in what way does he differ from Rav Chisda (who argues with Rebbi Chiya b'Rebbi Yosef over that very point)?

(b)Does this mean that Rav Chisda does not require the Kiyor to be submerged at all?

(c)The Beraisa explains that the other Kohanim, who were still in the Beis Hamokad, could not see the Kohen who entered the Azarah to make Kidush Yadayim ve'Raglayim and to perform the Terumas ha'Deshen. Why was that? How did he then see where he was going?

(d)What did they hear, that aroused them to prepare for the next Avodah?

(e)Which Avodah was that?

7)

(a)Even though Rebbi Yochanan holds that night-time does not intrinsically invalidate the water of the Kiyor, he differs from Rav Chisda (who argues with Rebbi Chiya b'Rebbi Yosef over that very point) - in that he holds of Gezeiras Shiku'a, whereas Rav Chisda does not.

(b)This does not mean that Rav Chisda does not require the Kiyor to be submerged at all, because if that were so, how would one prevent the Mei Kiyor from becoming Pasul be'Linah in the morning? Only that, according to him, it will suffice to submerge it shortly before dawn-break.

(c)The Beraisa explains that the Kohanim, who were still in the Beis Hamokad, could not see the Kohen who entered the Azarah to make Kidush Yadayim ve'Raglayim and to perform the Terumas ha'Deshen - because he did not take a torch with him, and that in turn, because he walked by the light of the Ma'arachah (the fire burning on the Mizbe'ach).

(d)They were aroused to prepare for the next Avodah - when they heard the (very noisy) Muchni (the wooden wheel and pulley system that ben Katin had specially constructed to lower the Kiyor into the stream of water).

(e)The next Avodah was - clearing the ashes from the Ma'arachah, as we learned earlier.

8)

(a)What do we try to prove from the fact that they heard the sound of the Kiyor?

(b)What objection do we initially raise, to the answer that what they heard was the Kiyor being lowered into the stream (like Rav Chisda)?

(c)How do we override this objection?

8)

(a)Assuming that what they heard was the Kiyor being drawn up from the stream, we try to prove from there that - it had to be lowered into the stream at the onset of night (a Kashya on Rav Chisda, who holds that this is not necessary).

(b)We initially object to the answer that what they heard was the Kiyor being lowered into the stream (like Rav Chisda) - on the grounds that to lower the Kiyor into the stream would not require turning the wheel (which was the main source of the noise), since the weight of the Kiyor would cause it to drop into the stream with no more than a splash.

(c)We override this objection however - by establishing that what they heard was indeed the Kiyor being lowered into the stream, which was deliberately done by unwinding the pulley, to induce the wooden wheel to make a noise and arouse the Kohanim to come and participate in the lots for the next Avodah.

9)

(a)Who was Gevini K'ruz?

(b)What purpose did the Muchni then serve?

9)

(a)Gevini K'ruz was - the man who would announce in a loud, booming voice 'Rise Kohanim to do your Avodah; Levi'im, to your Duchan (the place where they sang) and Yisrael, to your Ma'amad (to stand by the Korban Tzibur)!'.

(b)The Muchni served the same purpose - Some Kohanim heard the one and came, others heard the other.

10)

(a)What does the Beraisa say about using other K'lei Shareis for Kidush Yadayim ve'Raglayim?

(b)What is the Shi'ur of water required for ...

1. ... Netilas Yadayim for eating bread?

2. ... Kidush Yadayim ve'Raglayim?

(c)How did Rav Ada bar Ahavah reconcile this with what we learned earlier, that the Kiyor had to contain at least sufficient water for four Kohanim to wash simultaneously (see Tosfos DH 'Kode'ach')?

(d)We query the Beraisa from the word "Mimenu", which implies that the Kohanim must wash from the Kiyor, and not from any other receptacle. How do we answer that?

10)

(a)The Beraisa - permits using other K'lei Shareis for Kidush Yadayim ve'Raglayim.

(b)The Shi'ur of water required for ...

1. ... Netilas Yadayim for eating bread is - a Revi'is (ha'Log).

2. ... Kidush Yadayim ve'Raglayim is - even less than a Revi'is.

(c)Rav Ada bar Ahavah reconciles this with what we learned earlier, that the Kiyor had to contain at least sufficient water for four Kohanim to wash simultaneously - by establishing the latter where the Kohen actually washes from the Kiyor, whereas the current Beraisa speaks where he takes water from the Kiyor with a small K'li Shareis (see Tosfos DH 'Kode'ach').

(d)We query the Beraisa from the word "Mimenu", which implies that the Kohanim must wash from the Kiyor, and not from any other receptacle, and we answer that - the word "Yirchatzu", which is otherwise redundant, comes to include other K'lei Shareis.

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