ZEVACHIM 20 (18 Iyar) - dedicated by Avi and Lily Berger of Queens, N.Y., in memory of Lily's father, Mr. Benny Krieger (Chananel Benayahu ben Harav Yisrael Avraham Aba), zt"l, who passed away on Lag ba'Omer 5763. Mr. Krieger exemplified Ahavas Chesed, Ahavas Torah and Ahavas Eretz Yisrael.

1)

(a)According to Rav Dimi Amar Rebbi Yochanan, Ilfa asked whether the water in the Kiyor becomes Pasul be'Linah. What is the basis of the She'eilah? Why might it not become Pasul?

(b)Then what are the grounds to say that it is? Why might the water in the Kiyor be more stringent than the Kohanim in this regard?

(c)Assuming that it is, how can Linah be avoided?

(d)According to Ravin Amar Rebbi Yirmiyah ... Amar Rebbi Yochanan, Ilfa later resolved his She'eilah. What was his conclusion?

1)

(a)According to Rav Dimi Amar Rebbi Yochanan, Ilfa asked whether the water in the Kiyor becomes Pasul be'Linah - because seeing as, according to Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon, the Kidush Yadayim ve'Raglayim does not become Pasul be'Linah, it follows that the water in the Kiyor does not become Pasul either.

(b)The grounds to say that it is - lies in the fact that the water in the Kiyor is intact, whereas the water with which the Kohanim washed their hands and feet has already dried up.

(c)Assuming that it is, Linah can be avoided - by lowering the Kiyor into the stream that flowed through the Azarah (thereby joining the water to the stream, and preventing Linah from taking effect).

(d)According to Ravin Amar Rebbi Yirmiyah ... Amar Rebbi Yochanan, Ilfa later resolved his She'eilah - applying the same Machlokes to the water of the Kiyor (Rebbi and Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon) as applies to the Kohanim.

2)

(a)Rebbi Yitzchak bar Bisna queried Rebbi Yirmiyah however, from a discussion resulting from a statement of Rebbi Ami ... Amar Rebbi Yochanan in the name of Ilfa. What did Ilfa say in a case where the Kiyor had not yet been lowered into the stream, regarding the Kohanim using the water of the Kiyor ...

1. ... for Avodas Laylah?

2. ... for Avodas Yom?

(b)What query do we have regarding Ilfa's latter ruling?

(c)What problem does this create with Rebbi Yirmiyah?

(d)Why do we try to establish the Mishnah in Yoma, which describes how ben Katin fixed a pulley system to lower the Kiyor into the stream, to prevent the water from becoming Pasul be'Linah, like Rebbi?

2)

(a)Rebbi Yitzchak bar Bisna queried Rebbi Yirmiyah however, from a discussion resulting from a statement of Rebbi Ami ... Amar Rebbi Yochanan in the name of Ilfa ...

1. ... who rules that the Kohanim to use the Kiyor for Kidush for Avodas Laylah, if it had not yet been lowered into the stream ...

2. ... but who continued 'u'le'Machar Eino Mekadesh' ...

(b)... and we are not sure whether he meant that the Kohen does not need to wash ... (like Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon), or that he is unable to do so, due to the water having become Pasul be'Linah.

(c)The problem with Rebbi Yirmiyah now is - that if we were unable to resolve the She'eilah, what made him think that he could.

(d)We try to establish the Mishnah in Yoma, which describes how ben Katin fixed a pulley system to lower the Kiyor into the stream, to prevent the water from becoming Pasul be'Linah, like Rebbi - to refute the proof that, according to Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon, the water in the Kiyor is subject to Linah.

3)

(a)What led us to suggest that the author is Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon in the Reisha of the Mishnah Ba lo Eitzel Paro, u'Paro Hayah Omed bein ha'Ulam ve'la'Mizbe'ach ... ?

(b)How does Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Yehudah, on the other hand, define Tzafon?

(c)Rebbi is more lenient still. What does he say?

(d)Which area do all Tana'im agree, is not called Tzafon?

(e)Why is that?

3)

(a)What led us to suggest that the author is Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon in the Reisha of the Mishnah Ba lo Eitzel Paro, u'Paro Hayah Omed Bein ha'Ulam ve'la'Mizbe'ach ... - because he is the one who holds that the northern area of bein ha'Alum ve'la'Mizbe'ach is considered Tzafon (regarding the Shechitah of Kodshei Kodshim).

(b)Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Yehudah, on the other hand, defines Tzafon as - whatever is due north of the northern wall of the Mizbe'ach.

(c)Rebbi adds that - the northern area of the eleven Amos east of the Mizbe'ach (where the Kohanim are allowed to go, and the eleven Amos east of that, where the Yisre'elim are allowed to go, are also included in Tzafo.

(d)All Tana'im agree however, that the northern area of the Beis ha'Chalifos (the rooms adjoining the northern and southern walls of the Ulam, and where they placed their Shechitah knives) is not called 'Tzafon' ...

(e)... since they could not see the Mizbe'ach from there.

4)

(a)How do we refute the previous proof that the author of the Mishnah must be Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon? Why could the author even be Rebbi?

(b)How do we therefore rephrase our proof? What could we have asked on Rebbi (from the Mishnah bein ha'Ulam ve'la'Mizbe'ach)?

(c)How do we counter this proof too? Why could we have asked the same Kashya on Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon?

(d)So how do we conclude? Why indeed does the Tana mention specifically bein ha'Ulam ve'la'Mizbe'ach, and not one of the other two locations? Who is then the author?

4)

(a)We refute the previous proof that the author of the Mishnah must be Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon - on the grounds that Rebbi may argue with Rebbi Yossi b'Rebbi Yehudah, who requires north of the actual Azarah, but not with Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon. In fact, he comes to rule more leniently than him (as we explained above), in which case, the author could just as well be Rebbi.

(b)We therefore rephrase our proof by suggesting that if the author of the Mishnah under discussion was Rebbi, why did they stand the cow to be Shechted between the Ulam and the Mizbe'ach, and not east of the Mizbe'ach, further away from the Heichal?

(c)We counter this proof too, by pointing out that - we could apply the same Kashya to Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi, who concedes that the bull could have been Shechted north of the Mizbe'ach (so why did he specify bein ha'Ulam ve'la'Mizbe'ach?)

(d)We therefore conclude that - although the bull could have been Shechted north of the Mizbe'ach (according to both Tana'im) and even east of that, according to Rebbi, the Tana mentions specifically bein ha'Ulam ve'la'Mizbe'ach, to minimize the distance the Kohen Gadol has to walk to Shecht it, after he emerges from the Heichal, tired and weary after the heavy Avodah that preceded it.

5)

(a)Which is the first Avodah each morning?

(b)What does Rebbi Yochanan therefore state with regard to a Kohen who washed his hands and feet before performing the T'rumas ha'Deshen?

(c)What problem do we have with Rebbi Yochanan's ruling?

(d)Abaye establishes the author as Rebbi. Then why does Linah not invalidate the Kidush that preceded it?

5)

(a)The first Avodah each morning is - the T'rumas ha'Deshen (which takes place before Amud ha'Shachar).

(b)Rebbi Yochanan therefore rules that - a Kohen who washed his hands and feet before performing the T'rumas ha'Deshen need not wash again, since he already washed at the beginning of the Avodah.

(c)The problem with Rebbi Yochanan's ruling is - whose opinion does he follow? Since according to Rebbi, Kidush does not help from one day to the next, whereas according to Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon, seeing as the Kohen already washed the day before, washing before T'rumas ha'Deshen is unnecessary.

(d)Abaye establishes the Tana as Rebbi - who nevertheless agrees that, seeing as this Linah is only mi'de'Rabbanan, the washing that takes place after the call for the Avodah to begin, does not become Pasul be'Linah with dawn-break.

6)

(a)Rava disagrees. He maintains that Rebbi Yochanan follows the opinion of Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon. Then why does he exempt the Kohen from washing, on account of his having washed before the Terumas ha'Deshen?

(b)What would he say in a similar case where the Kohen washed before the burning of the limbs and fat pieces the evening before?

6)

(a)Rava disagrees. He maintains that Rebbi Yochanan follows the opinion of Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon - and he makes a compromise, agreeing with Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon with regard to the Kidush for T'rumas ha'Deshen (seeing as it is the first Avodah of the day).

(b)In a similar case, where the Kohen washed before the burning of the limbs and fat pieces the evening before - the Kidush would still become Pasul be'Linah at dawn-break (since it took place for yesterday's Avodah).

7)

(a)What does the Beraisa say about Kohanim who see their fellow Kohen descending with the T'rumas ha'Deshen?

(b)Why is there no problem with this Beraisa according to Abaye? Like whom will he establish it?

(c)What is the problem with it according to Rava?

(d)How do we therefore establish the Beraisa according to Rava? Who will then be the author?

7)

(a)The Beraisa states that as soon as the Kohanim see their fellow Kohen descending with the T'rumas ha'Deshen - they quickly perform Kidush Yadayim ve'Raglayim from the Kiyor in order to remove the excess ashes from the Makom ha'Ma'arachah or on to the Tapu'ach (the pile of ashes in the middle of the Mizbe'ach).

(b)There is no problem with this Beraisa according to Abaye - who will establish it like Rebbi, who in turn holds that, even though the night Kidush is subject to Linah at dawn-break, this Kidush is not (as he just explained).

(c)The problem with it according to Rava is that - both according to Rebbi and according to Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon, the Kidush before T'rumas ha'Deshen is no different than the one performed the night before. Consequently, according to Rebbi, Linah ought to have applied even to it, whereas according to Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon even without it Linah ought not to apply.

(d)According to Rava therefore, we establish the Beraisa - like Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon, only the Beraisa speaks about new Kohanim, who have not performed the Avodah during the night, and for whom this is the first Kidush.

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8)

(a)What is the P'sul of Yotzei?

(b)We ask whether, according to Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon, Yotzei will invalidate the Kidush. Why might it be ...

1. ... worse than Linah?

2. ... nevertheless not invalidate the Kidush?

(c)What does the Beraisa say if, after the Kohen made Kidush Yadayim ve'Raglayim ...

1. ... his hands became Tamei? What sort of Tum'ah is the Tana talking about?

2. ... he stuck his hands outside the Azarah?

(d)Why does this Beraisa not help resolve our She'eilah?

8)

(a)The P'sul of Yotzei - refers to Shechted Kodshim that are taken out of their specified Mechitzah.

(b)We ask whether, according to Rebbi Elazar b'Rebbi Shimon, Yotzei will invalidate the Kidush. It might be ...

1. ... worse than Linah - because, unlike by Linah, the Kohen left the Avodah (and is therefore Masi'ach Da'as from it).

2. ... nevertheless not invalidate the Kidush - seeing as he is able to return at will.

(c)The Beraisa rules that if, after the Kohen made Kidush Yadayim ve'Raglayim ...

1. ... his hands became Tamei (with a Tum'ah de'Rabbanan, which only renders the hands Tamei and not the rest of the body), he need only Tovel his hands.

2. ... he stuck his hands outside the Azarah - they retain their Kedushah (and do not require a second Kidush).

(d)This Beraisa does not help resolve our She'eilah - which refers to the Kohen leaving the Azarah, and not just his hands.

9)

(a)What does another Beraisa say about a Kohen who washes his hands and feet outside the Azarah with a K'li Shareis, or inside the Azarah with a K'li Chol?

(b)Which third case does the Tana add to the list?

(c)What do we extrapolate from the Beraisa, in an attempt to resolve the She'eilah?

(d)How do we establish the Beraisa, to refute the proof?

9)

(a)Another Beraisa rules that a Kohen who washes his hands and feet outside the Azarah with a K'li Shareis, or inside the Azarah with a K'li Chol - must repeat the Kidush inside the Azarah with a K'li Shareis, and the same applies to ...

(b)... a Kohen who Toveled in a pool of water in a cave (or even in the water of a spring, which is less common).

(c)In an attempt to resolve the She'eilah, we extrapolate from the Beraisa that - if the Kohen had made Kidush inside the Azarah and then left, he would not require a fresh Kidush.

(d)We refute the proof however, by establishing the Beraisa - where the Kohen was actually standing inside the Azarah and stuck his hands out, in which case all we can extrapolate is that had he made Kidush inside the Azarah and then stuck his hands out, he would not require a fresh Kidush (like in the previous Beraisa).

10)

(a)Rav Z'vid cites yet another Beraisa, in an attempt to resolve our She'eilah. What does the Tana say about a Kohen who left the Azarah for a ...

1. ... long period of time?

2. ... for a short period?

(b)How does Rav Papa establish the long and the short periods referred to by the Beraisa, to refute the proof that Yotzei requires a fresh Kidush?

(c)Why can we therefore no longer resolve our She'eilah from there?

(d)But how can Rav Papa have said that, bearing in mind that the Beraisa specifically mentions those two cases independently?

10)

(a)Rav Z'vid cites yet another Beraisa in an attempt to resolve our She'eilah. The Tana rules that a Kohen who left the Azarah for a ...

1. ... long period of time - requires a fresh Tevilah.

2. ... for a short period - requires a fresh Kidush (but not Tevilah).

(b)To refute the proof that Yotzei requires a fresh Kidush, Rav Papa establishes the long and the short periods referred to by the Beraisa as - a Kohen who went out to defecate or to urinate, respectively.

(c)We can therefore no longer resolve our She'eilah from there - because following a ruling that requires a person to wipe himself clean even after urinating, he is obligated to make a fresh Kidush (irrespective of the Din of Hesech ha'Da'as, which is the basis of our Sugya).

(d)There is no problem with Rav Papa saying that, despite the fact that the Beraisa specifically mentions those two cases independently - because it is not uncommon for a Tana to make a vague statement, and then to clarify it.

11)

(a)Rebbi Chiya bar Yosef requires the Kohen to perform Kidush Yadayim ve'Raglayim before going out to burn the Parah Adumah. Where did he go?

(b)Rebbi Yochanan argues with Rebbi Chiya bar Yosef on two scores. What does he say?

(c)Why can we not resolve our She'eilah from Rebbi Chiya bar Yosef?

(d)Then why does the Kohen need to make Kidush in the Azarah, according to him?

11)

(a)Rebbi Chiya bar Yosef requires the Kohen to perform Kidush Yadayim ve'Raglayim before going out - to Har ha'Mishchah outside Yerushalayim, to burn the Parah Adumah.

(b)Rebbi Yochanan argues with Rebbi Chiya bar Yosef on two scores - permitting the Kidush to take place outside the Azarah, even using a clay vessel.

(c)We cannot resolve our She'eilah from Rebbi Chiya bar Yosef - because the entire Avodah of the Parah Adumah was performed outside the Azarah (and even outside Yerushalayim [so the P'sul of Yotzei is not applicable by it]).

(d)The Kohen nevertheless needs to make Kidush in the Azarah, according to him - so that it bears some resemblance to the Avodah of a Korban (because the Torah refers to the Parah Adumah as a Chatas).

12)

(a)We ask the same She'eilah that we just asked in connection with Yotzei, regarding a Kohen who becomes Tamei. Why might Tum'ah invalidate the Kidush, even though Linah does not?

(b)Why on the other hand, might it not?

(c)On what grounds do we refute the proof from the Beraisa that we cited earlier Kidesh Yadav ... ve'Nitme'u, Matbilin ve'Ein Tzarich Lekadesh. Why is that case different?

12)

(a)We ask the same She'eilah that we just asked in connection with Yotzei, with regard to a Kohen who becomes Tamei. Tum'ah might invalidate the Kidush, even though Linah does not - because (unlike the latter, where the Kohen is fit to perform the Avodah) the former renders the Kohen unfit to serve as long as the Tum'ah remains (in which case, he is Masi'ach Da'as).

(b)On the other hand, it might not - because he needs only to Tovel in a Mikvah, and he will be fit again to serve (so perhaps he is not Masi'ach Da'as).

(c)We refute the proof from the Beraisa that we cited earlier Kidesh Yadav ... ve'Nitme'u, Matbilin ve'Ein Tzarich Lekadesh - because the Tana is talking in a case where only the hands became Tamei (mi'de'Rabbanan), whereas we are concerned with a case where the Kohen became Tamei (mi'd'Oraysa).

13)

(a)What, according to the Mishnah in Parah, happens to the Kohen who burns the Parah Adumah? What is he therefore obligated to do?

(b)We already cited Rebbi Chiya b'Rebbi Yosef, who holds Mekadesh bi'Cheli Shareis bi'Fenim, ve'Yotzei. Based on the Mishnah in Parah, how do we now try to resolve our current She'eilah?

(c)We conclude however, that Parah is different. What do we mean by that?

(d)Then what is the point of the Kidush Yadayim ve'Raglayim?

13)

(a)According to the Mishnah in Parah - the Kohen who burns the Parah Adumah becomes Tamei (after which he Tovels on the Har ha'Mishchah before burning it).

(b)We already cited Rebbi Chiya b'Rebbi Yosef, who holds Mekadesh bi'Cheli Shareis bi'Fenim, ve'Yotzei. Based on the Mishnah in Parah - it now seems that Tum'ah does not invalidate Kidush Yadayim.

(c)We conclude however, that Parah is different - inasmuch as, in order to counter the Tzedokim, who maintain that the Parah Adumah may not be burned by a T'vul-Yom, we deliberately ensure that the Kohen becomes a T'vul-Yom. And since Chazal allow a T'vul-Yom to actually burn it, they also waive the Din of Tum'ah (which, as we explained earlier, is only mi'de'Rabbanan anyway), in which case it does not invalidate the Kidush Yadayim Ve'Raglayim.

(d)They nevertheless insisted on Kidush (in the Azarah, according to Rebbi Chiya bar Yosef, and even outside, according to Rebbi Yochanan) to make it resemble an Avodah (as we explained above).

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