R. AKIVA AND R. YOSI HAGELILI ON THE ORDER OF THE HAZAOS (cont'd)
Alternate Answer: They would agree to learn P'nim from Chutz if the Kohen walked around the Mizbe'ach, but they argue over whether he stood in one place or walked around.
Second Alternate Answer: They agree that he stood in place, but R. Yosi ha'Gelili learns Hakafas Yad from Regel and R. Akiva does not.
Question: But R. Yosi ha'Gelili held that he walked around (as R. Eliezer is arguing with him saying that he stood in place)!?
Answer: Rather, they argue whether the Hakafah is be'Yad or be'Regel (as above), and they provide their rationale:
R. Yosi ha'Gelili learns from "Saviv" that he must walk around to do the Zerikah as it is done on the Mizbe'ach ha''Chitzon.
R. Akiva holds that he stands in place since the Mizbe'ach ha'Penimi is as small as one corner of the Mizbe'ach ha'Chitzon (and there is no requirement to walk around its corners).
Two former Kohanim Gedolim reported their practices, one having walked around and one stood in place, and each one justified his custom based on the rationale just given for R. Yosi ha'Gelili and R. Akiva.
HAZAAH FROM UP TO DOWN / DOWN TO UP
Our Mishnah follows the opinion of R. Yehudah in his dispute with R. Meir regarding the opinion of R. Eliezer:
R. Meir says that the opposite corner is unique (the Haza'ah must be down to up there given the position of the Kohen) and the rest follow the closest corner (which must be up to down to protect his garments from being soiled).
R. Yehudah holds that the closest corner is unique (which, as stated, must be up to down) and the rest follow the opposite corner (down to up) [as in our Mishnah].
TOHARO SHEL MIZBE'ACH
Question: What is the Tohar of the Mizbe'ach?
Answer: The middle of its height (as 'Tihara' refers to mid- day).
Question: But the Beraisa implies (from its discussion regarding moving around the coals for the Haza'ah) that the Haza'ah is done on the top of the Mizbe'ach!?
Answer: Rather, the Tohar is the cleared top, as the word 'Tohar' means clear.
(Chananya): The Haza'ah was on the Northern side of the top.
(R. Yosi): It was on the Southern side.
Question: What is the basis for their dispute?
Answer: They argue over whether the opening to the Kodesh ha'Kodoshim was North or South.
They both hold that he does the Avodah where he finishes the Matanos (based on the Pasuk of "ve'Tiharo ve'Kidesho").
THE SHIRAYIM ARE POURED ON THE WESTERN YESOD
This is based on the Pasuk "Yishpoch El Yesod ha'Mizbe'ach".
The Western Yesod is the one he encounters first as he exits from the Heichal.
THE SHIRAYIM FROM THE MIZBEACH HACHITZON WERE POURED ON ITS SOUTHERN YESOD
We learn from Yom Kipur that the closest Yesod is to be used, hence the Southern Yesod is the closest to the Kevesh.
R. Yishmael holds that the Dam from both Mizbechos (P'nimi and Chitzon) are poured on the Western Yesod.
R. Shimon b. Yochai says that both are poured on the Southern Yesod.
Question: What is the basis for R. Shimon b. Yochai (since R. Yishmael is learning the unstated pouring (Chitzon) from the explicitly taught pouring (P'nimi, as 4.a. above).
Answer: He holds that the opening to the Heichal was South of the Mizbe'ach ha''Chitzon.
R. Yishmael was cited in the Beis Medrash of R. Shimon b. Yochai as having retracted (the students of R. Shimon b. Yochai drew R. Yishmael to their way of thinking).
R. Meir and R. Shimon hold that there is Me'ilah in the blood of a Korban while the Chachamim say that there is no Me'ilah by blood.
Mid'Oraisa there is no Me'ilah by Dam, and they argue only if there is Me'ilah mi'de'Rabanan.
Question: What is the source for asserting that Me'ilah does not apply to Dam?
Answer: Ula learns from "Lachem", R. Shimon learns from "Lechaper" and R. Yochanan learns from Kaparah (that the Dam is the same before Kaparah as after).
Question: Let R. Yochanan learn the opposite, that just as there is Me'ilah before, so, too, after?!
Answer: There is never Me'ilah after a Mitzvah is completed.
Question: What about Terumas ha'Deshen (where we find that the ashes need Genizah and, presumably, are subject to Me'ilah, as well)?
Answer: Terumas ha'Deshen combines with Bigdei Kehunah as unique (non-generalizable) Pesukim where there is Me'ilah after the Mitzvah.
Question: This only works if "ve'Hinicham Sham" teaches that the Bigdei Kehunah require Genizah, but that is a Machlokes, and what will R. Dosa say?
Answer: Terumas ha'Deshen combines with Eglah Arufah.
Question: What about the opinion which holds that two Pesukim may generalize!?
Answer: Still, these cases remain unique owing to the limiting word ("Vesamo" by Terumas ha'Deshen and "ha'Arufah" by Eglah Arufah) hence they will not generalize.
Question: Why are there three Pesukim to teach that there is no Me'ilah by Dam?
Answer: The additional words teach two additional exceptions, that there is no Nosar nor Tum'ah on Dam.
Pigul does not need a Pasuk since Dam has no Matir (nothing is Matir it).
Pigul only applies to that which has a Matir.