prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler of Kollel Iyun Hadaf
Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
(a) What is the problem with the prohibition of taking Lulav on Shabbos?
(b) To what did Rabah therefore attribute the prohibition?
(c) Why did Rabah refer to carrying the Lulav four Amos in the street, rather than that one may come to carry from one domain to another?
(d) To which other two Mitzvos does the same decree apply?
(a) What problem do we have with Rabah's Takanah?
(b) Initially, we propose that the first day that falls on Shabbos is different, because Chazal decreed that one should take the Lulav at home (see Tosfos DH 'Ha'). Why is this explanation inadequate?
(c) So we conclude that Chazal only issued their decree on Shabbos which falls during the week, because then, taking the Lulav is less Chashuv. Why is that?
(d) Then why do we not take Lulav nowadays, when the first day falls on Shabbos?
(e) Eretz Yisrael is different, we suggest, because there they know exactly when it is the first day of Sukos (see Tosfos DH 'Inhu'). From which two local Mishnahs do we now prove, that the decree not to take the Lulav on the first day which falls on Shabbos, does not extend to Eretz Yisrael, even nowadays?
(a) What does the Beraisa learn from ...
1. ... "u'Lekachtem"?
2. ... "Lachem"?
3. ... "ba'Yom"? How does the Tana know that this refers even to the Gevulin (outside the Beis Hamikdash)?
4. ... "haRishon"?
(b) We establish this Beraisa like Rebbi Eliezer. Why is that? What does Rebbi Eliezer say?
(c) Rebbi Eliezer learns his ruling from "ba'Yom" (as we just explained). What do the Rabanan learn from "ba'Yom"?
(d) Why do the Rabanan decline to learn "Yamim" 'v'Lo Leilos' (like Rebbi Eliezer) from the end of the Pasuk "u'Semachtem Lifnei Hash-m ... Shiv'as Yamim"?
(a) We now know that "Yamim" by Lulav means days and not nights. When in Tzav, Moshe told Aharon and his sons (regarding the Milu'im) to sit inside the Mishkan "Shiv'as Yamim", what did he mean?
(b) Why might we prefer to learn the 'Gezeirah-Shavah' of "Yamim" "Yamim" (by Sukah) ...
1. ... from the Milu'im rather than from Lulav?
2. ... from Lulav rather than from the Milu'im?
(c) What do we ultimately learn from the 'Gezeirah-Shavah' of "Teshvu" "Teshvu"?
(a) What reason does Rebbi Yochanan give to explain why Aravah on the seventh day overrides Shabbos?
(b) What problem do we have with that regarding Lulav?
(c) We answer that the reason that Chazal decreed by Lulav is because of Rabah. Why does Rabah's reason not apply to Aravah too?
(d) Then why did Chazal not allow all the days of Aravah (on whichever day Shabbos falls) to override Shabbos?
(a) Why did Chazal not choose the first day of Aravah to override Shabbos?
(b) Why did they then pick the seventh day of Yom-Tov and not any other day?
(c) Why does Aravah not override Shabbos nowadays in Chutz la'Aretz?
(d) What reason did bar Hedya give for the Mitzvah of Aravah not overriding Shabbos, even in Eretz Yisrael?
(a) What did Ravin and 'all the sailors' say about bar Hedya's statement. In their opinion, the seventh day of Sukos could indeed fall on Shabbos. Then why according to them, does the Mitzvah of Aravah not override Shabbos?
(b) How does Abaye try to disprove Ravin from ...
1. ... our Mishnah, which mentions Lulav and Aravah together?
2. ... the Mishnah later, which differentiates between the last day, when they would go round the Mizbe'ach seven times, and the first six days, when they would only go round it once. What does Abaye try and prove from there?
(c) How do we refute Abaye's ...
1. ... first Kashya?
2. ... second Kashya?
(a) What did Ravin retort when Abaye told him that Rav Nachman quoting Rabah bar Avuhah established the Mishnah by Aravah (and not by Lulav)?
(b) Various Amora'im dispute whether the Mishnah is speaking about Lulav or Aravah. Rava quotes Rabah bar Chanah, who quotes Rebbi Elazar, in whose opinion the Tana is speaking about Lulav. We ask however on this, from a Beraisa (to prove Abaye right). What happened once when the seventh day of Sukos fell on Shabbos, and they deposited Aravah branches in the Azarah on Erev Shabbos? What did the Baitusim do? Who are the 'Baitusim?
(c) What did the Amei ha'Aretz (who sided with the Perushim) subsequently do?
(d) What did the Kohanim subsequently do? Why specifically the Kohanim?
(a) Why did the Baytusim hide the Aravos?
(b) What is it that they disagreed with?
(c) How do we prove from here that Abaye is right?
(a) Having proved conclusively that the Mitzvah of Aravah constitutes taking it, why (assuming that the seventh day of Sukos can fall on Shabbos), does the Mitzvah not override Shabbos?
(b) We query this however, from Lulav on the first day of Yom-Tov which falls on Shabbos. What is the problem from there?
(c) How do we emend this explanation statement?
(a) We try to refute this answer from the two Mishnahs which permit Lulav to be taken on the first day that fell on Shabbos, one in the Beis Hamikdash, and one, outside? How did we initially establish the second Mishnah?
(b) What problem does this create with our previous answer?
(c) How do we emend our interpretation of the second Mishnah to resolve the problem?