1)

HOW CHACHAMIM LEARN THE ORDER OF SEVERITY OF THE FOUR MISOS (cont.)

(a)

Answer: Chachamim say that a Bas Kohen is burned for Zenus only (in a case when a Bas Yisrael would be choked, e.g) if she had already Nisu'in (or was a Bogeres (more than six months after becoming Bas Mitzvah) or non- virgin), but a (virgin) Na'arah Me'orasah is stoned (like a Bas Yisrael, for this is harsher than burning);

1.

Surely, the Torah is more stringent about an Arusah (she disgraces her father even more, for she was Mezanah while under his jurisdiction) than a Nesu'ah. This shows that stoning is harsher than burning.

(b)

Stoning is more severe than beheading, for it is given to blasphemers and idolaters.

(c)

Question: People of an Ir ha'Nidachas are beheaded, this is more severe!

1.

Question: What is the stringency of an Ir ha'Nidachas?

2.

Answer: We destroy their property.

(d)

Answer: Enticing to serve idolatry is worse than serving it;

1.

(Beraisa): The enticers of an Ir ha'Nidachas are stoned.

(e)

Stoning is more severe than choking, for it is given to blasphemers and idolaters.

(f)

Question: One who wounds a parent is choked. This is severe, because honor of parents is compared to honor of Hash-m.

(g)

Answer: Since a Nesu'ah (Bas Yisrael) is choked for Zenus, and a Na'arah Me'orasah (Yisrael) is stoned, it follows that stoning is more severe than choking.

(h)

Burning is more severe than beheading, for a Bas Kohen who was Mezanah is burned.

(i)

Question: People of an Ir ha'Nidachas are beheaded!

(j)

Answer: It says "Aviha" regarding stoning a Na'arah Me'orasah, and also regarding burning a Bas Kohen;

1.

Just like stoning is more severe than beheading, also burning.

(k)

Burning is more severe than choking, for a Bas Kohen is burned (the stringency is that she profanes her father).

(l)

Question: One who wounds a parent is choked!

(m)

Answer: Since a (Nesu'ah) Bas Yisrael who was Mezanah is choked, and a Bas Kohen is burned, this shows that burning is more severe.

(n)

Beheading is more severe than choking, for it is given to people of an Ir ha'Nidachas.

(o)

Question: One who wounds a parent is choked.

(p)

Answer: Ir ha'Nidachas is more severe, for idolatry is a rebellion against Hash-m.

2)

HOW R. SHIMON LEARNS THE ORDER OF SEVERITY THE FOUR MISOS

(a)

(Mishnah - R. Shimon): Burning...

(b)

Burning is more severe than stoning, for a Bas Kohen who was Mezanah is burned. This is severe because she profanes her father.

(c)

Question: Stoning is severe, for it is given to blasphemers and idolaters;

1.

These are severe because they rebel against Hash-m.

(d)

Answer: R. Shimon says that a Bas Kohen is burned even if she is Mekudeshes;

1.

An Arusah Bas Yisrael is stoned. Surely, the Torah is more stringent about a Bas Kohen.

(e)

Burning is more severe than choking, for a Bas Kohen who was Mezanah is burned.

(f)

Question: One who wounds a parent is choked. This is severe because honor of parents is compared to honor of Hash-m!

(g)

Answer: Since a (Nesu'ah) Bas Yisrael who was Mezanah is choked, and a Bas Kohen is burned, this shows that burning is more severe.

(h)

Burning is more severe than beheading, for a Bas Kohen who was Mezanah is burned.

(i)

Question: Beheading is severe, for we do so to people of an Ir ha'Nidachas, and their property is destroyed!

(j)

Answer: Enticing to serve idolatry is worse than serving it;

1.

R. Shimon holds that the ones who enticed a city to idolatry are choked. Surely this is more severe than beheading.

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2.

Burning is more severe than choking, and all the more so it is more severe than beheading!

(k)

Stoning is more severe than choking, for it is given to blasphemers and idolaters.

(l)

Question: One who wounds a parent is choked!

(m)

Answer: Since a Nesu'ah (Bas Yisrael) is choked for Zenus, and a Na'arah Me'orasah (Yisrael) is stoned, it follows that stoning is more severe.

(n)

Stoning is more severe than beheading, for it is given to blasphemers...

(o)

Question: Beheading is severe, for it is given to people of an Ir ha'Nidachas!

(p)

Answer: Enticing to serve idolatry is worse than serving it;

1.

(R. Shimon holds that) the ones who enticed a city to idolatry are choked. Surely this is more severe than beheading.

2.

Stoning is more severe than choking, and all the more so it is more severe than beheading!

(q)

Choking is more severe than beheading, for it is given to one who wounds a parent.

(r)

Question: Beheading is severe, for it is given to people of an Ir ha'Nidachas!

(s)

Answer: Enticing to serve idolatry is worse than serving it;

1.

The ones who enticed a city to idolatry are choked, surely this is more severe than beheading.

2.

(Beraisa): The ones who enticed a city to idolatry are stoned;

3.

R. Shimon says, they are choked.

3)

WHEN A BAS KOHEN IS BURNED

(a)

(R. Yochanan): (Chachamim say that) if a Na'arah Me'orasah Bas Kohen was Mezanah, she is stoned. R. Shimon says, she is burned.

1.

If she was Mezanah with her father, she is stoned. R. Shimon says, she is burned.

(b)

Question: What is R. Yochanan's Chidush?

(c)

Answer: Chachamim say that burning applies only to a Nesu'ah (or Bogeres or non-virgin), but not to a (virgin) Na'arah Me'orasah. R. Shimon says that it applies to both.

(d)

Question: What is the reason for the argument?

(e)

Answer: Chachamim say that stoning is more severe, and R. Shimon says that burning is more severe.

1.

This reason also teaches that anyone who is liable for two Misos receives the harsher one.

(f)

Question: What is the source of R. Shimon's opinion about a Na'arah Me'orasah?

(g)

Answer (Beraisa - R. Shimon): The Torah gave two general rules about a Bas Kohen...

(h)

Interjection: His rules also apply to a Bas Yisrael! (This questioner already knows R. Shimon's opinion.)

(i)

Correction: The Torah gave two general rules (that should have applied) even for a Bas Kohen (a Nesu'ah is choked for Zenus, and a Na'arah Me'orasah is stoned);

1.

The Torah said that a Nesu'ah Bas Kohen has a different law than a Nesu'ah Bas Yisrael, and an Arusah Bas Kohen has a different law than an Arusah Bas Yisrael (i.e. the Bas Kohen is burned);

2.

Just like a Nesu'ah Bas Kohen gets a harsher Misah than a Nesu'ah Bas Yisrael (even Chachamim agree to this), also an Arusah Bas Kohen does.

3.

The special law of a Bas Kohen does not apply to Zomemim witnesses who are killed for testifying that a Nesu'ah or Arusah Bas Kohen was Mezanah (they are choked or stoned, as if they testified about a Bas Yisrael).

(j)

(Beraisa) Suggestion: Perhaps "u'Vas Ish Kohen Ki Sechel" refers even to Chilul (desecration of) Shabbos!

(k)

Rejection: "Liznos" - the verse applies only to Zenus.

(l)

Suggestion: Perhaps it even applies to a single girl!

(m)

Rejection: It says here "Aviha", like it says about a Na'arah Me'orasah;

1.

Just like there she has a husband, also here.

(n)

Question: Perhaps "Aviha" (here) teaches that she is burned only if she was Mezanah with her father (and it is not free for the Gezerah Shavah)!

(o)

Answer: "Hi Mechaleles" implies that she was Mezanah with someone else (if it was with her father, he is Mechalel her). Therefore, "Aviha" is free for the Gezerah Shavah.

(p)

Question: There it refers to a Na'arah Me'orasah. What is the source to include a Nesu'ah or a Bogeres, even if she is old?

(q)

Answer: "U'Vas" includes any case.

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