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5)
(a) We have a principle 'Ein Aseh Docheh Lo Sa'aseh v'Aseh'. We cannot learn from here that it is - because we are speaking specifically about a 'Lav she'Eino Shaveh ba'Kol', whilst the principle pertains specifically to a 'Lav ha'Shaveh ba'Kol'.
(b) The Tana who learns from "Zekano" that 'Aseh Docheh Lo Sa'aseh v'Aseh she'Eino Shaveh ba'Kol', nevertheless requires "Rosho" to teach us that the Aseh of Metzora also overrides the Aseh and the Lo Sa'aseh of Nazir. We cannot learn the latter from the former - because Nazir is a 'Lav and an Aseh ha'Shaveh ba'Kol' (and, as we just explained, we cannot learn it from a Lav and an Aseh which are 'Eino Shaveh ba'Kol').
(c) And the Tana who learns from "Rosho" that the Aseh of Metzora also overrides the Aseh and the Lo Sa'aseh of Nazir - nevertheless requires the Pasuk of "Zekano" - to teach us that just as the prohibition of shaving one's beard is confined to a razor, so too, is the Mitzvah of shaving a Metzora.
(d) We learn from the two Pesukim "Lo Yegalechu" and "v'Lo Sashchis" (both written with regard to shaving the five corners of one's beard) - that one is only Chayav for shaving the beard in a way that constitutes both shaving and destruction (i.e. a razor) to preclude a pair of scissors (which is not considered shaving) and tweezers and a plane (which is not considered shaving).
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(a) We might have answered the previous Kashya by establishing the Tana of 'Zekano' like the Tana of the first Beraisa, who learns from "Rosho" that 'Aseh Docheh Lo Sa'aseh'. We might also have refuted the Kashya (that we should learn 'Kohen' from 'Nazir') on the grounds that the Lav of Nazir has the weakness - that it can be revoked (which that of Kohen does not).
(b) From the Pasuk of "Zekano" we could learn that a. the 'Aseh' of shaving a Metzora overrides the Lav and the Aseh of Kohanim cutting their beards (which are 'Eino Shaveh ba'Kol') and b. that it overrides the Lav of Yisre'elim cutting their beards (which is a Lav ha'Shaveh ba'Kol).
(c) 'Shekulin Hen v'Yavo'u Sheneihen' means - that since we have a choice of learning one of two things from a Pasuk, and we have no reason to learn one more than the other, we learn both.
(d) We are trying to prove from this principle that the Pasuk "Rosho" is not necessary (to teach us 'Aseh Docheh Lo Sa'aseh, since we can learn it from "Zekano".
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(a) We prefer to learn that an Aseh overrides both a Lav and a Lav and an Aseh from "Zekano", rather than from "Rosho" (from which we could also learn both, as we saw at the beginning of the Sugya) - because the Lav (of "v'Lo Sashchis") pertaining to Kohanim is the same as that pertaining to Yisre'elim, whereas the Lav of Hakafah ("Lo Sakifu") and that of Nazir ("Ta'ar Lo Ya'avor al Rosho") are two separate Lavin.
(b) By the same token, it is clear that "Rosho" incorporates a Stam Metzora (to teach us that 'Aseh Docheh Lo Sa'aseh, even when it Shaveh ba'Kol, as we explained earlier) and a Metzora who is a Nazir (to teach us 'Aseh Docheh Lav v'Aseh she'Eino Shaveh ba'Kol) as we extrapolate from the insertion of Nazir in our Sugya. Nevertheless, we cannot learn ...
1. ... Kohen from Nazir ("Rosho") - because the latter Lav can be revoked by a Chacham, whereas the former cannot.
2. ... Nazir from Kohen - because the latter Lav (that of cutting the beard) is not Shaveh ba'Kol (i.e. since it does not pertain to women), whether the former is.
3. ... Aseh Docheh Lo Sa'aseh va'Aseh from either of these two - because both Lavin have a weakness, as we just explained.
(c) Nor can we even learn all other cases from a 'Mah ha'Tzad' (a combination of the two) - because the Aseh of Metzora (which overrides them) is different than other Asehs, inasmuch as it leads to Shalom Bayis, which other Asehs do not.
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(a) When Rav permits shaving his body-hair with a razor, he is referring to the Lav of "Lo Yilbash Gever Simlas Ishah".
(b) To reconcile Rav with the Tana of a Beraisa (who prohibits the removal of the underarm hair and that of the Beis ha'Ervah, we differentiate between shaving it with a razor (which is forbidden) and with scissors (which is permitted). And when he referred to a 'razor' - what he really meant was shaving it with scissors that remove the hair completely (like a razor).
(c) According to the Ba'al Halachos Gedolos and the Rif, we differentiate between underarm hair and that of the Beis ha'Ervah on the one hand, and other body-hair, on the other. To reconcile Rav with the Beraisa, which forbids even other body-hair - we establish his statement by scissors, whereas the Beraisa is speaking by a razor.
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(a) On the following Amud, we will cite two versions of this text. According to one way of reading it, after differentiating between the underarm hair and that of the Beis ha'Ervah and other body-hair, and asking from the Beraisa which presents shaving (unspecified) body-hair as being d'Rabanan, we conclude 'Ela Ki Ka'amar Rav b'Misparayim', v'Chi Tanya ha'Hi, b'Ta'ar'. The significance of the word 'Ela" is - that it implies that he is referring to underarm hair and that of the Beis ha'Ervah, to permit shaving all body-hair with scissors.
(b) Without 'Ela', it would imply that the concession of using scissors is confined to other body-hair, but not to underarm hair and that of the Beis ha'Ervah (though it is possible that 'Ela' is implied even if it is not written).
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(a) Rebbi Chiya bar Aba Amar Rebbi Yochanan sentences anyone who shaves the underarm hair or that of the Beis ha'Ervah to Malkus. There is no discrepancy between Rebbi Yochanan and the Tana of a Beraisa, which states that he only receives Malkus d'Rabanan - because Rebbi Yochanan too, is referring to Malkus d'Rabanan.
(b) Rebbi Yochanan disagrees with Rav - inasmuch as he prohibits using even scissors (whereas Rav does not, according to our text, as we just learned).
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