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1) WHEN DOES "PIGUL" TAKE EFFECT?

(a) ((Mishnah - R. Yehudah): The general rule is that if intent Chutz li'Zemano came first, it is Pigul, there is Kares; if intent Chutz li'Mekomo came first, it is Pasul, there is no Kares; Chachamim say, in either case it is Pasul, there is no Kares.)
(b) Question (Ravina): Ilfa taught that Chachamim and R. Yehudah argue about intentions in two different Avodos: one Siman was slaughtered with intent Chutz li'Zemano, the second Siman with intent Chutz li'Mekomo, but if he had both intents in one Avodah, all agree that this is "mixed intents" (it is Pasul, there is no Kares);

1. (We see that all agree that if there was intent Chutz li'Zemano in Shechitah, and no improper intent in a later Avodah, it is Pigul!)

(c) Answer (Rav Ashi): Pigul is not established until Zerikah - then, it takes effect retroactively from the time of the Pigul intentions during Shechitah (if the intentions were such that they make the animal Pigul).
(d) Question: If so, Zerikah with intent of Pigul should also make the Lachmei Todah be Kadosh retroactively (Rashi - regarding Me'ilah; Tosfos - regarding Pigul, and likewise [with respect to Eimurei Kodshim Kalim] regarding Me'ilah)!
(e) Answer: When the Beraisa says that the Lechem is Kadosh, it does not mean it is Kadosh with regard to Me'ilah. Rather, the bread is Mekudash only to [be able to] become Pasul [through Linah, Yotzei or a Mechusar Kipurim (Tosfos)] to require burning it.

(a) Support (for Rav Gidal - Beraisa): Me'ilah always applies to Pigul [of Kodshei Kodoshim].

1. Suggestion: This means, even after Zerikah (Rashi - with intent Chutz li'Zemano) - this supports Rav Gidal!

(b) Rejection #1: No, it means before Zerikah.
(c) Objection: If so, there is no need to say this (Tosfos - "always"; Shitah - the same applies to a valid Korban, and not only Pigul)!
(d) Rejection #2: Indeed, it means after Zerikah, but it applies to an Olah (while Zerikas Pigul would remove Me'ilah from Korbanos that are eaten).
(e) Objection #1: This is obvious -- Me'ilah always applies to an Olah (which is not eaten by Kohanim) after Zerikah (and not merely when it is Pigul)!

(f) Objection #2 (Seifa): If the blood was left overnight, even if Zerikah was done later, Me'ilah applies.

1. We understand if the Beraisa discusses Chatas, but this is no Chidush regarding Olah!

(g) Question: Surely, the Seifa discusses a Chatas and supports Rav Gidal (Zerikas Pigul is like Zerikas Nosar, which does not remove Me'ilah) - may we infer that the Reisha also [discusses a Chatas and] supports him?
(h) (Perush Kadmon (B) - above we said that the Reisha cannot discuss an Olah, there would be no Chidush -- we retract, perhaps the Reisha is on account of the Seifa.)
(i) Rejection of premise: Even the Seifa is not a clear support (we cannot learn Zerikas Pigul from Zerikas Nosar)!
(j) Question: What is the difference [between them]?
(k) Answer: Nosar came about through leaving the blood overnight, this is considered an action, therefore Zerikas Nosar does not remove Me'ilah;

1. Pigul came about through intent, this is not considered an action, so Zerikas Pigul can remove Me'ilah.

(l) Support (for Rav Gidal - Beraisa): Me'ilah applies to Pigul of Kodshei Kodashim.

1. Suggestion: This means, even after Zerikah - this supports Rav Gidal!

(m) Rejection: No, it means before Zerikah.
(n) Objection: To reject the support, you must say that Me'ilah does not apply after Zerikah;

1. If so, why does the Seifa say that Me'ilah does not apply to [Pigul of] Kodshim Kalim - the Beraisa should distinguish within Kodshei Kodashim themselves, Me'ilah applies before Zerikah but not afterwards!

(o) Observation: The Seifa clearly supports him (it must be even after Zerikah, there is no Chidush before Zerikah).
(p) Suggestion: Since the Seifa supports him, also the Reisha [is even after Zerikah]!
(q) Rejection: No - the Tana prefers to teach about Kodshim Kalim, for that law is Pesika (uniform), than to teach the distinction in Kodshei Kodashim, which is not Pesika.

(a) (Mishnah - R. Yehoshua): The general rule is that Me'ilah applies only to things that never had She'as Heter to Kohanim;

1. The following had She'as Heter -- it was left overnight, became Tamei, or was Yotzei.
2. The following never had She'as Heter -- it was slaughtered with intent of Chutz li'Zemano or Chutz li'Mekomo, or Pesulim did Kabalah and they did Zerikah.