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________________________________________________________ REVIEW QUESTIONS ON TOSFOS THE YISRAEL SHIMON HA'LEVI TURKEL MASECHES KIDUSHIN prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler of Kollel Iyun Hadaf ![]() daf@dafyomi.co.il, www.dafyomi.co.il Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld ________________________________________________________
TOSFOS DH NIR'IN DIVREI TALMID (a) What can we learn from here regarding the relationship between Rebbi Yirmiyah and Rav Huna? (b) We query this from a Gemara in Berachos however. What can we extrapolate from Rebbi Yirmiyah there, who asked Rav (when he Davened Kabalas Shabbos on Erev Shabbos 'Mi Badalt'? What ought he otherwise to have said? (c) How do we reconcile the two contradictory Gemaras? click for answerTOSFOS DH BEIN HI BEIN AVIHAH YECHOLIN LE'AKEV (a) How will we reconcile this statement with Rav's earlier statement 'Chayshinan Shema Nisratzeh ha'Av'? (b) What is now the Chidush in telling us that she is permitted to retract? (c) Seeing as her father has the right to betroth her against her will, on what grounds will her protest have any effect, now that her father gives his consent to the Kidushin? (d) Why is that? (e) According to Rashi's explanation, the question does not even get off the ground. What does Rashi say? click for answerTOSFOS DH K'RA BA'I (a) What did Rav say that prompted this question? (b) What exactly is the Gemara asking? (c) What would be the Chidush if the Pasuk was referring to where the man seduced her Le'Shem Ishus? click for answer(a) Why can the Chidush not be that should the father subsequently betroth her to the seducer, she has the right to protest? (b) Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak answers 'Lomar she'Meshalem K'nas ki'Mefuteh'. What does he mean by that? How do we ultimately establish the Pasuk? (c) In which regard is her Miy'un not effective? (d) Under what circumstances will her Miy'un be effective even with regard to prevent herself from becoming the Mefateh's wife? click for answerTOSFOS DH AMAR RAV YOSEF, I HACHI HAYNU DI'TENINA (a) What exactly, are the connotations of 'I Hachi'? (b) It seems that Rav Yosef often used this expression in this manner. Where else do we find the same expression used by Rav Yosef? (c) How does Abaye refute Rav Yosef's proof (' ... ve'Im Pitah le'Shum Ishus, Kidushin Lamah Li?') click for answer(a) Others have the text 'Ela Amar Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak'. How does he then establish the Pasuk? (b) How does he reconcile Rav Asi (who rules 'Avihah ve'Lo Hi') with the Beraisa (which permits her to object as well? (c) And what does ... 1. ... Rav Yosef now mean when he says 'I Hachi, Haynu di'Tenanina ... '. 2. ... Abaye mean when he answers 'Tzericha Kidushin le'Da'as Avihah'? click for answerTOSFOS DH VA'AFILU BE'KAMAYSA (a) Rashi explains the question. What is ... 1. ... the case? 2. ... the question? (b) What problem do we have with calling the first dates a Milveh? What ought they to be called, according to the Gemara in the third Perek? (c) What does the Gemara there rule with regard to someone who says to a woman 'Hiskadshi li le'Achar Sheloshim Yom', by which time the money was used up? (d) How do we reconcile our Gemara with the Gemara there? What is the difference between the two cases? click for answerTOSFOS DH EIMA GAMRA U'MIKNAYA (a) What problem do we have with this theory, based on the Gemara in the first Perek? (b) How do we reconcile our Gemara with the Gemara there? click for answer46b----------------------------------------46b TOSFOS DH U'SH'MA MINAH, MA'OS BE'ALMA CHOZRIN (a) Practically speaking, what does this mean in a case where the man says to the woman ... 1. ... 'Hiskadchi li bi'Perutah Zu, u've'Zu, u've'Zu', and before the Kidushin has been completed, he retracts? 2. ... 'Hiskadchi li bi'Temarah Zu, u've'Zu, u've'Zu', and before he finishes speaking, she eats the first two dates? (b) What would the Din be in the latter case if one were to hold 'Ma'os Matanah'? (c) Why is that? (d) What precedent do we have for this in the third Perek? (e) In which case will the principle 'Ma'os Matanah' then apply? click for answer(a) According to our interpretation in R. Ami, we propose that the Machlokes between him and Rav and Shmuel hinges on whether Ma'os Pikadon or Ma'os Matanah. Which Machlokes are we referring to? (b) We have already explained why, according to R. Ami, 'Haysah Ocheles Rishonah,Einah Mekudeshes ad she'Yehei be'Achas Meihen Shaveh Perutah' can refer to the Seifa ('be'Zu, eu've'Zu u've'Zu, Im Yesh Shaveh Perutah be'Chulan Mekudeshes ... '). Why, according to Rav and Shmuel, is this not possible? click for answerTOSFOS DH DE'ITMAR (a) What is the alternative text? click for answer(b) Regarding the Machlokes between Rav and Shmuel (regarding 'ha'Mekadesh Achoso') Rav says 'Ma'os Chozrim'. What does Shmuel hold? (c) On what basis do we consider the alternative text preferable to the above one? Why can we not extend the Machlokes between Rav and Shmuel to 'ha'Mekadesh be'Milveh'? (d) Besides that, what problem will the earlier text create with regard to Rav's opinion in regarding our Mishnah? TOSFOS DH MIN HA'NAKUV AL SHE'EINO NAKUV TERUMAH (TOSFOS YESHANIM) (a) How does this ruling affect ... 1. ... the Kohen? 2. ... the owner? (b) Seeing as the owner did not fulfill his obligation (of giving Terumah from the Eino Nakuv), by what right did the Chachamim exempt him from now separating Terumah from the Eino Nakuv? click for answerTOSFOS DH VE'KA'SAVAR BA'AL HA'BAYIS NISKANAH ISASO (TOSFOS YESHANIM) (a) Why do we initially attribute the statement 've'Gezel be'Yad Kohen to a Takalah with regard to the Kohen's dough, rather than to the owner? click for answerTOSFOS DH IM EINO KADOSH, NESI'US CHET LAMAH (a) The Gemara in Temurah cites a Machlokes as to whether wherever somebody contravenes a Torah prohibition, his action is effective or not. What is the reason of the opinion which holds that it is effective? (b) How do those who hold that it is not, counter it? click for answer(a) Why does the current form of logic of R. Ila'i pose a question on the latter opinion? (b) What do we answer? Why is it that even those who hold elsewhere 'Lo Mehani', will concede that here, 'Mehani' (like R. Ila'i)? (c) Which two sins? click for answer
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