REVIEW QUESTIONS ON GEMARA AND RASHI

Prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
of Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Yerushalayim
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KESUVOS 16-17 - Generously sponsored by Marsha and Lee Weinblatt of Teaneck, New Jersey. May Hash-m bless them with a Kesivah va'Chasimah for a year of health, prosperity and much Yiddishe Nachas from their wonderful children and grandchildren.

1)
(a) How do we reconcile our Mishnah, which does not believe the woman to say that, when she married, she was a Besulah, with Raban Gamliel in the previous Perek, who does?
(b) What made us initially think that the author of our Mishnah is not Raban Gamliel? Why is it not obvious that our Mishnah is speaking in a case of 'Bari u'Bari'?
(c) How do we attempt to prove that the author not only can be but must be, Raban Gamliel, from the Seifa, where Rebbi Yehoshua concedes to Raban Gamliel regarding 'Peh she'Asar'?
(d) How do we refute that proof?
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2)
(a) Why can Rebbi Yehoshua's concession not refer to their Machlokes in the Mishnah of ...
1. ... 'Hayesah Me'uberes, v'Amru Lah Mah Tivo shel Ubar Zeh'?
2 ... 'Ra'uhah Medaberes im Echad v'Amru Lah Mah Tivo shel Ish Zeh ... '?
(b) Seeing as there is no 'Migo' in those two cases, why is she believed, according to Raban Gamliel?
(c) In fact, the latter case will only not work out according to Rav Asi (who interprets 'Medaberes' to mean intimacy, and who in fact, was disproved), but according to Ze'iri, it could well be the case we are searching for. Why is that?
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3)
(a) And why can Rebbi Yehoshua's concession not refer to their Machlokes in the Mishnah of 'Hi Omeres Mukas Etz Ani, v'Hu Omer Lo Ki Ela Derusas Ish At'?
(b) Seeing as there is no 'Migo' there, why is she believed?
(c) In fact, the latter case will only not work out according to Rebbi Yochanan, who establishes the Machlokes by 'Masayim u'Manah', but according to Rebbi Elazar, who establishes it by 'Manah v'Lo Klum', it could well be the case we are searching for. Why is that?
(d) So in which case do Raban Gamliel and Rebbi Yehoshua argue over 'Migo'?
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4)
(a) Why does Rebbi Yehoshua concede to Raban Gamliel with regard to 'ha'Peh she'Asar' (even by 'Bari u'Bari'), but not with regard to 'Migo' (even by 'Bari v'Shema')? What gives 'ha'Peh she'Asar' the edge over 'Migo'?
(b) Why does Rebbi Yehoshua not consider 'Migo' a strong proof in its own right?
(c) We learned above that the fact that the majority of women are Besulos when they marry, almost makes our Mishnah a case of 'Bari v'Shema'. Why 'almost'? Why do we not in fact, follow the majority there?
(d) We conclude that most women who marry Besulos have a 'Kol' to substantiate it. On what grounds did we reject the initial suggestion, that all women who marry Besulos have a 'Kol' to substantiate it?
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5)
(a) What should one be afraid of by permitting the woman to claim two hundred Zuz on the basis of witnesses who testify that she was a Besulah when she married?
(b) Rebbi Avahu considers this a proof that one writes a receipt (a fact that is disputed in Bava Basra). What is the reason of those who hold that one does not?
(c) To answer the Kashya, Rav Papa establishes our Mishnah in a place where the custom is not to write a Kesubah. What would be the Din in most places, according to him, where the Minhag is to write a Kesubah?
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6)
(a) Others learn Rav Papa on the Beraisa, which discusses a case where the woman lost her Kesubah, hid it or it got burnt. What is the significance of the continuation 'They danced in front of her, or joked in front of her'?
(b) What are the other two items listed in the Beraisa, which prove that she was a Besulah when she married?
(c) We ask the same Kashya that we asked on our Mishnah, and cite the same Machlokes between Rebbi Avahu and Rav Papa. How can Rav Papa establish the Beraisa in a place where the Minhag was not to write a Kesubah, when the Tana himself is referring to a case where the Kesubah is lost?
(d) Seeing as, at the end of the day, he wrote her a Kesubah, how do we deal with the question that we asked originally (why we do not suspect that she will claim her Kesubah with the witnesses, and then produce her written Kesubah and claim again)?
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7)
(a) On this, we ask three questions, the first of which is 'In that case, Ibdah is synonymous with Nisrefah? What are the other two?
(b) So how do we establish Ibdah and Hitminah on the one hand, and Nisrefah on the other?
(c) If Rav Papa establishes the Beraisa in a place where the Minhag is not to write a Kesubah, then he will certainly do so in the case of our Mishnah; but not vice-versa. Why not? What will then be the Machlokes between our Tana and the Tana of the Beraisa?
(d) If the Minhag is not to give the woman a written Kesubah, on what grounds will she later be able to claim the Kesubah?
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8)
(a) Seeing as the woman may claim her Kesubah with the Eidei Heinumah, why are we not afraid that she will use witnesses to claim in one Beis-Din, and then claim again in another Beis-Din, using other witnesses?
(b) Rav Ada bar Ahavah interprets 'Kos shel Besorah' (one of the signs mentioned in the Beraisa that she was a Besulah when she married a Kohen) as a cup containing Terumah that they passed before her, as if to declare her fit to eat Terumah, because she was a Besulah when she married the Kohen. What objection does Rav Papa raise against this explanation?
(c) So how does he interpret 'Kos shel Besorah'?
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9)
(a) According to Rebbi Yehudah in a Beraisa, they would pass a barrel of wine in front of a Besulah. Rav Ada bar Ahavah explains that, in fact, they would pass a cup in front of the Kalah, whether she was a Besulah or a Be'ulah. How would they then know whether she was a Besulah or a Be'ulah?
(b) Why did they not simply pass the cup in front of a Besulah, but not in front of a Be'ulah?
(c) How come we believe her?
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