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(a) We answer this Kashya by citing a case where one set of witnesses testify that a woman is betrothed and a second set, that she is married. We take for granted that Rebbi Akiva will agree there that it is not one of Chatzi Eidus because the first testimony is independent (since it establishes that she is betrothed, forbidding her to the whole world), unlike the case of Chazakah, where the first two sets of witnesses only testified in order to combine with the third set.
(b) We compare our case (of Eidei Geneivah) to that case because here too, the testimony that the Ganav stole is independent of the Shechitah, since it obligates him to pay Kefel.
(c) We try to refute the initial suggestion that Aba Chalafta and Rebbi Yochanan ben Nuri use "Davar" to preclude where one witness testifies that a girl has one hair on the back of her hand, and another, that she has one on her stomach on the grounds that, in addition to being 'Chatzi Davar', it is also Chatzi Eidus. seeing as there are not even two witnesses on one of the hairs, and one witness is not even valid when it comes to a complete Eidus.
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(a) The Rabbanan therefore learn from "Davar" that if two witnesses testify on each hair, the testimony is considered 'Chatzi Davar', seeing as each one testifies that she is a Ketanah.
(b) What makes this case worse than that of Chazakah is the fact that each set of witnesses have not testified on all that it could have done at that moment, unlike the case of Chazakah, where each set did (see Tosfos DH 'Lim'utei').
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(a) We learned in our Mishnah 'Ganav u'Machar be'Shabbos, Chayav Daled ve'Hey', Rami bar Chama reconciles this with a Beraisa which exempts him by establishing it where the purchaser acquired the animal through the Ganav picking a fig from his fig-tree. Consequently, the Ganav is Chayav Misah and due to the principle 'Kam leih bi'de'Rabah Mineih', he is Patur from paying Daled ve'Hey.
(b) Initially, we reject this explanation, on the grounds that in such a case, the sale would not be valid (because the Ganav is Chayav Misah for picking the fig, and will therefore not be obligated to return the fig or its value to the purchaser), in which case, he would not be obligated to pay Daled ve'Hey anyway.
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(a) Rav Papa establishes the Beraisa where the purchaser instructed the Ganav to throw the animal into his Chatzer on Shabbos and there is no reason why his Chatzer should not acquire the animal for him, even though the Ganav is Chayav Misah for his deed.
(b) We try to establish the Beraisa like Rebbi Akiva who says 'K'lutah ke'Mi she'Hunchah Dami', meaning that the moment the animal enters the air space of the buyer, it is as if the animal was lying on the ground, and he has transgressed the Isur of Shabbos, at exactly the same moment as the purchaser acquires it (which explains why he is Patur from Daled ve'Hey due to 'Kam leih bi'de'Rabah Mineih'.
(c) The problem with establishing the Beraisa like the Rabbanan of Rebbi Akiva would be that, according to them, the buyer would acquire the animal immediately it enters his air-space, whereas the Ganav would not transgress the Isur of Shabbos until it landed in the buyer's Chatzer (in which case, 'Kam leih ... ' would not apply).
(d) We finally establish the Beraisa even like the Rabbanan however in a case where the purchaser specifically states that he only wishes to acquire the animal after it lands in his Chatzer, in which case, both the Chilul Shabbos and the Kinyan will take place at the same moment.
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(a) Rava concurs with Rami bar Chama, and he answers the Kashya we asked (from the fact that the sale is not valid anyway) by saying 'Esnan Asrah Torah, va'Afilu Ba Al Imo' meaning that the Torah forbids an Esnan Zonah, even though the gift is invalid (seeing as if the Zonah happened to be his mother, she would render him Chayav Misah, and he would be Patur from paying what he promised her). The Torah forbids an Esnan because one attempted to give her the article as a gift, irrespective of whether the gift is actually valid or not.
(b) Likewise in our case. The Torah obligates Daled ve'Hey for attempting to sell a sheep or a cow, even if the sale is not valid. Consequently, he will be Chayav even if the sale comes into effect through his picking a fig on Shabbos, automatically invalidating it, and exempting him for paying for it.
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