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(a) We ask what the Din will be if, after goring three oxen in the same sequence, an ox then gores a donkey and a camel still following the same sequence. Assuming that, in this case, we go after the first sequence, we ask whether that is because we follow the first sequence, in which case here too, we will link the first goring of an ox with the previous two gorings; or whether it is because it is more logical to link the goring of an ox with the two other gorings of an ox, irrespective of whether they come first or last.
(b) Similarly, we ask what the Din will be if an ox gores on three consecutive Shabbasos, and on the Sunday and Monday following the third Shabbos. And we then ask what the Din will be if it gored on Thursday and on Friday and then on three consecutive Shabbasos on the assumption that in the previous case, we link the first Shabbos to the two previous Shabbasos (following exactly the same pattern as the previous She'eilah [only one of them concerns the contrast between species, the other, between days]).
(c) We conclude both She'eilos with 'Teiku'.
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(a) According to Rav, if, for the first time, a woman sees blood on the fifteenth of Iyar, on the sixteenth of Sivan and on the seventeenth of Tamuz, this becomes her new Veses. According to Shmuel, it will only become her Veses on the eighteenth of Av (because, in his opinion, it is skipping three times that creates the Veses, not the three dates on which she sees).
(b) This Machlokes affects ...
1. ... our Sugya inasmuch as the same Machlokes will apply in a case where an ox gores six times following the same sequence, and where according to Shmuel, it will not become a full-fledged Mu'ad until it gores a seventh time, whereas according to Rav, it will.
2. ... the Beraisa (that we cited on the previous Amud) which describes a Mu'ad le'Sirugin as where an ox that gores one ox, ignores the second one that it saw, gores the third, ignores the fourth, gores the fifth and ignores the sixth) inasmuch as, according to Shmuel there too, the Mazik will only be obligated to pay full damage when it gores the seventh animal, whereas according to Rav, he is obligated already after the sixth.
(c) Rava rules that, in a case where an ox gores following the three occasions that it hears a Shofar-blast it becomes a Mu'ad'.
(d) Otherwise, we may have thought that the first time it reacts in this way is merely out of shock, in which case it will not combine with the other two times to make the animal a Mu'ad until one more time.
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(a) Our Mishnah exempts an ox belonging to a Hedyot that gores an ox belonging to Hekdesh and vice-versa.
(b) The Tana learns this from the Pasuk "ve'chi Yigach Ish es Shor Re'eihu" ('ve'Lo Shor shel Hekdesh', as we already learned in the first Perek).
(c) The Mishnah also exempts the ox of a Yisrael that gores the ox, whereas in the reverse case, he obligates the Nochri to pay Nezek Shalem, even for a Shor Tam.
(d) Rebbi Shimon ben Menasyah in a Beraisa agrees with the Tana Kama with regard to a Hekdesh ox goring one of a Hedyot, but in the reverse case, he obligates the Hedyot ox to pay full damages, even for a Shor Tam (like a Shor Nochri that gores the Shor of a Yisrael).
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9)
(a) Assuming that Rebbi Shimon ben Menasyah exempts a Hekdesh ox that gored the ox of a Hedyot due to "Re'eihu (like the Rabbanan), we cannot then say that he obligates a Tam ox of a Hedyot which gored one of Hekdesh to pay full, from a 'Kal va'Chomer' from an ox belonging to a Hedyot which gored an ox belonging to a Hedyot because then we would apply 'Dayo' to pay only Chatzi Nezek (like a Hedyot ox that gores a Hedyot ox).
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10)
(a) Ultimately, Resh Lakish learns Rebbi Shimon ben Menasyah's Chumra by a Shor Tam of a Hedyot that gores a Shor Tam of Hekdesh, from "Re'eihu" by extrapolating that for "Shor Re'eihu" one pays Chatzi Nezek, and Mu'ad, Nezek Shalem, but for Shor Hekdesh, one always pays Nezek Shalem.
(b) What prompts him to Darshen it this way, rather than to simply exempt the Hedyot from having to pay for the damage to a Shor shel Hekdesh (like the Rabanan) is the fact that the Torah writes "Re'eihu" by Tam and not by "Mu'ad".
(c) Rebbi Shimon ben Menasyah learns the P'tur by a Shor Mu'ad of Hekdesh that gores a Shor Hedyot from the Pasuk "ve'Hu'ad bi'Ve'alav" (which does not apply to a Shor shel Hekdesh; and the P'tur of a Shor Tam that causes damage to a Hedyot from the Pasuk "ve'chi Yigof Shor Ish es Shor Re'eihu" (since Hekdesh is not called 'Ish').
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(a) According to an alternative interpretation of Resh Lakish's explanation, he only comes to avoid the 'Kal va'Chomer'. In that case, he learns the P'tur of a Hekdesh ox that gores that of a Hedyot from "Re'eihu", 've'Lo Shor shel Hekdesh' (like the Rabbanan).
(b) He does not however, Darshen "Re'eihu" in connection with a Hedyot ox that gores one of Hekdesh in the same way as he Darshens it in connection with the reverse case because the Torah writes "Re'eihu" by a Tam and not by a Mu'ad (indicating that the leniency of Tam as against Mu'ad, only applies to "Shor Re'eihu", but not to a Shor belonging to Hekdesh).
(c) Neither can he Darshen "Re'eihu" by Shor shel Hekdesh ... in the same way as he Darshens it by a Shor shel Hedyot ... because a Hekdesh Shor is not included in "Shor Re'eihu" (period).
(d) And he knows that a Shor Mu'ad of Hekdesh is Patur as well (despite the fact that "Re'eihu" is not written there) because the Torah only obligates payment of full damages in the case of a Mu'ad which paid Chatzi Nezek when it was a Tam.
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